[R&F] How will Royal Navy Dockyard change in R & F

[Lily_Lancer]

Does it still provide 1 extra trade route?

Together with another trade route in its lighthouse, maybe it can be a very strong UD. One trade route for a district is not very worthwhile, but 2 trade routes in one district makes some difference.

Moderator Action: Changed headline to make subject clear --NobleZarkon

 

[Lily_Lancer]

I expect it'll has the strength of actropolis. (Still a lot worse than Seawon but a lot more useful now)

 

[liv]

Royal navy dockyard. right. I was really trying to figure out what RND was
I would guess it still gets a traderoute with lighthouse, Do you think traderoutes will be super powerful now?
What is actropolis? city on a hilltop? Is it connected to your first thought?

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

But the modifier applied is applied to a lighthouse, not the district. unless the modifier is still applied to the district but only if a lighthouse is present.

 

[Lily_Lancer]

Royal navy dockyard. right. I was really trying to figure out what RND was
I would guess it still gets a traderoute with lighthouse, Do you think traderoutes will be super powerful now?
What is actropolis? city on a hilltop? Is it connected to your first thought?

RND provide an extra trade route, so 2 trade routes from 1 district is super worthwhile.

 

[Onii-chan]

I highly doubt it'd provide 2 trade routes from the same district just by building a lighthouse. Can you imagine just how OP that would be?

 

[liv]

RND provide an extra trade route, so 2 trade routes from 1 district is super worthwhile.

I see what you are saying. That would be powerful. But I would think that they only get one once they have the lighthouse.

 

[Victoria]

I am confused. As I understand it you will get the trade route with the first building and not the district.

This to me will weaken the RNDY as before you got it at half price and could have a lot of trade routes very early. Now with the lighthouse its takes time and more effort.

If it gets 2 that is different but that would be crazy. Each of my coastal cities would have 3 (4?) traders and I do like at least 10 coastal cities but I am not sure I would ever want that many traders.

 

[Kyro]

3 trade routes for 1 city sounds very broken. :/

Given that unlimited expansion is no longer unlimited due to loyalty effects trade routes are actually going to be limited and that really makes England shine....

 

[GoodSarmatian]

I don't think you'll be able to get three trade routes per city. They'll either move the trade trade route to the Lighthouse like for other Harbors and you'll get an extra one from a Market, or you get one trade route from the Dockyard instead of the Lighthouse which would be a minor buff.

 

[leandrombraz]

What I think that make sense for England is to give extra loyalty to their cities in other continents, since England was made with this kind of multiple continents playstyle in mind, even Victoria's agenda is centered on this. It's not a buff to the RND (maybe it could be? RND in other continents give loyalty) but it's how England would fit perfectly in R&F. The player and the AI will have some serious loyalty issues if they try to spread the cities to build it in other continents.

Maybe a trade route that start in a city in other continent (or with a RND in other continent) give loyalty to that city? Any way they do it, loyalty in other continents make sense for England imo.

 

[kryat]

As I understand it, the trade route bonus of the Royal Navy Dockyard right now is that England can have up to two trade routes supported per coastal city because they get to ignore the mutual exclusivity of trade routes being supported by CHs or Harbors.

I see no reason why this would change in R&F, with it probably being shifted to the lighthouse. Everyone else has to pick whether they want a market or lighthouse to support a trade route per city, while England still gets up to two per coastal city by having both. I could also see them giving England the trade route on construction of a Royal Navy Dockyard, but not giving them one on a lighthouse (which seems like it’s still a big bonus by getting early access)

 

[Victoria]

What I think that make sense for England is to give extra loyalty to their cities in other continents

I do not think that England gained any special loyalty from cities on other continents, look at America as one classic case.
Equally English trade was far below say that of the dutch (Fluyt once again) or the spanish.
England did privateer a lot and the redcoats were rather aggressive so perhaps its right as it is but I do agree the perception appears to be that they should have extra loyalty, just not sure its the most historical thing.

 

[leandrombraz]

I do not think that England gained any special loyalty from cities on other continents, look at America as one classic case.
Equally English trade was far below say that of the dutch (Fluyt once again) or the spanish.
England did privateer a lot and the redcoats were rather aggressive so perhaps its right as it is but I do agree the perception appears to be that they should have extra loyalty, just not sure its the most historical thing.

I don't mean by a historical perspective, only gameplay. If Victoria try to actually follow her agenda or the player find himself in a position where he need to spread his cities thin to actually take advantage of England's continents mechanics, she/he will have loyalty issues.

 

[Victoria]

she/he will have loyalty issues

Yeah, I am not so sure of this yet. Often I will settle in a 3 city bridgehead fairly remote from other civs. In these cases I suspect they will support each other nicely. If closer or there is more issue I guess I get a governor involved. We will have to see how it all works first.

 

[Phrozen]

I do not think that England gained any special loyalty from cities on other continents, look at America as one classic case.
Equally English trade was far below say that of the dutch (Fluyt once again) or the spanish.
England did privateer a lot and the redcoats were rather aggressive so perhaps its right as it is but I do agree the perception appears to be that they should have extra loyalty, just not sure its the most historical thing.

Australia, Canada, Hong Kong, Belize and other places stayed with the British crown until they were spun off eventually. It is a mixed bag really just like many of the colonial holdings of various other countries. Many former British colonies are in the commonwealth system and don't seem to be wanting to remove themselves from it.

 

[Victoria]

Australia

Only just them, they are a shaky lot... I guess its because we do not play ozzie rules.
New Zealand (my homeland) is a great example also, much more tied to the crown than those great galah's over the water.
Yeah I guess you are right, there is a little bit of loyalty out there.

 

[UWHabs]

I would assume that they'll simply find a way to rework the wording of the RNDY to essentially do the same as now. They could potentially even alter it so that you get the trade route with the RNDY instead of the lighthouse, which would be an extra little bonus for it. But I doubt that they'd give that harbor 2 full trade routes on its own.

 

[Phrozen]

Or simply the dockyard gets the trade route when built instead of when the lighthouse is built. The RNDY is really the only early game bonus England gets unless they happen to start near the edge of a continent.

 

[PhilBowles]

Does it still provide 1 extra trade route?

Together with another trade route in its lighthouse, maybe it can be a very strong UD. One trade route for a district is not very worthwhile, but 2 trade routes in one district makes some difference.

Moderator Action: Changed headline to make subject clear --NobleZarkon

The Royal Navy Dockyard doesn't produce an extra trade route - it produces the one route a Harbor would normally, it just doesn't have the "if this city doesn't have a commercial hub" exclusion. That route will now be produced by a lighthouse, just like any other trade route from a Harbor.

Of course they could just give it a free Lighthouse when built, but there seems no particular reason to as it already costs only half what a Harbor does.