I support The Christian Mod

[SidCiv]

This is my first time posting and it will probably be my last. I usually log on here as a guest as I know many born-again Christians who do the same. I am here to declare my frustations over The Christian Mod being banned at the Civilization Fanatics website. The thread can be found here- http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=158494

I do not blame the moderators for this as the thread was going way off topic but I do think it is very unfortunate that one of the very few truly Christian mods on this website had to be shut down. Not just that but it also received an average of four stars and it was a very well-made modification to the game. I am hoping for the mod to be unbanned again and I not merely speaking for myself but for the many other Christians that I know who come here as guests but do not engage in actively posting as far too often internet debates and forums turn out to be such a mess with so many offensive and vulgar comments.

If this does nothing else, let it be shown for the record that The Christian Mod has a lot of support here at Civilization Fanatics website especially among the evangelical community and let me close by reminding everyone here that the people who do the most talking aren't always the majority...There is something called the Silent Majority and I believe I am in that majority and those are the people who I am representing. That is all I have to say. Thank you.

 

[vbraun]

It was not shut down because of the content, but because of what people posted in response to it.

You can still download it anyway.

 

[Theodorick]

I seriously thought that MOD was a huge joke and a satire when I first seen it. You mean something like that is actually put forth with a serious intention? It has BUSH in it, damnit! The entire mod just felt like some long running joke off the daily show.

I'm sorry but I still think that mod was just a satire, and the poster of this topic is carrying on this satire. I am having much trouble believing it. And yes I am a Christian.

 

[SidCiv]

And yes I am a Christian.

The Christian Mod received an average of 4 stars and it was reviewed positively by many people here. Since there is no way of knowing if you are a really a Christian or not that is irrevelent to me. Also I was speaking more about the evangelical/born again Christian community and not just someone who calls himself a Christian because he was born that way.

Finally and this will be the last thing I say It does not matter whether you agree with this mods contents or not. This is a free speech and freedom of religion issue and you don't have to like the mod to support its unbanning.

 

[Drakonik]

I was asked if I support this mod. Here is my answer:

The mod is lame. Of course, I don't have to download it, so I'll leave my review at "lame."

Also, I agree with Theodrick. Or at least, to a degree. It's really hard to tell if BodyofChrist was really a stereotypical Christian zealot, or if he was just making fun of the sterotype. Either way, this mod is horrendously un-balanced, and gets a 0 out of 5.

 

[Heero Blaze]

After looking at the mod, it just didn't make sense to have Jesus Christ as a leader and George W. Bush. Jesus Christ being the leader of America is not pro-christian, it is being anti-all other nations. No religion has more power over any other because it boils down to personal beliefs. Obviously Civ IV doesn't want to deal with tensions between different faiths in the game, but we have freedom to make whatever mods we want. It is true that Christianity has played a role in Western History, but if the mod wanted to be completely accurate there would be downsides to Christianity as well, specifically the persecution by Christains of all non-christains.

If this does nothing else, let it be shown for the record that The Christian Mod has a lot of support here at Civilization Fanatics website especially among the evangelical community and let me close by reminding everyone here that the people who do the most talking aren't always the majority...There is something called the Silent Majority and I believe I am in that majority and those are the people who I am representing.

As much as you support the mod, you cannot call yourself the majority or anyone the majority. There isn't data somewhere to say what the majoirty is in these forums and it shouldn't be assumed that a majoirty even exists to promote biased mods. Everyone is free to make mods, but I don't think mods should me made in the name of a FAITH. Doing things in the name of a faith has always caused problems. The creator of the mod could have just posted the mod without saying anything about it, with the exceptions of what it does, and everything would be fine. But saying that we all all "Left wing" and "Atheist" is a fault on his own integrity. Also, he said that Christianty becomes "Weak" and that depends on how you play the game, not the game itself (if you played a certain way Christainity could be the dominate religion in any game). In that case, it seems that the mod was only to make the game easier for fundamentalist Christians. Thus, the problem with the mod isn't the mod, but how it was presented.

 

[Drakonik]

Hear hear, Heero Blaze. Speaking of doing things in the name of faith, need I remind us of the Crusades?

 

[Duelingground]

Since there is no way of knowing if you are a really a Christian or not that is irrevelent to me. Also I was speaking more about the evangelical/born again Christian community and not just someone who calls himself a Christian because he was born that way.

And yet, your profession of faith is supposed to have some relevance to the rest of us puir wee heathen?

Finally and this will be the last thing I say It does not matter whether you agree with this mods contents or not. This is a free speech and freedom of religion issue and you don't have to like the mod to support its unbanning.

Fortunately, freedom of speech isn't a guarantee on this, or most other forums, whatever their nature, but rather, what the site admins choose to allow.

Keep your religion in your house of worship, where it belongs. It would be nice, IMO, if the "Silent Majority", really was silent, but unfortunately, extremists seldom are.

 

[Bongo-Bongo]

Personally, I do think the mod is offensive, and I hold no religous beliefs. I personally see this as just trying to force beliefs upon somebody else which makes me extremly angry. It would be interesting what a Muslim or Hindu thinks of this mod.

 

[Heero Blaze]

Fortunately, freedom of speech isn't a guarantee on this, or most other forums, whatever their nature, but rather, what the site admins choose to allow.

There are other forums and people can create forums for whatever they want. There shouldn't be any problem using freedom of speech, especially on the Internet.

 

[scienide09]

Is it just me, or is this thread going in a similar direction to the original mod thread -- that is, nowhere? Which is why Chieftess closed it.

 

[Theodorick]

BodyofChrist, thou art false. No, really, you're not making any kind of contribution to the atheist agenda by role-playing a defunct Christian. You might try to lure the moderate Christians of this forum to either criticize you or defend your points. You might lure the atheist or freedom-of-religion people to throw insults, so they not only insult you but also Christanity as whole. This is not a left-winged forum in my opinion, it's actually very moderate in my perception. I'd sooner believe that Jesus was born in Texas than i'll believe you are posting this for serious.

That is a post from the original thread, and I agree. The more I read the replies made in that thread the more I think BodyofChrist is just an anti-Christian fanatic who started a long running satire to make fun of other Christians and their beliefs, and he's doing this by PLAYING an ignorant and closed minded Christian fanatic and posting that simply ridiculous mod. In my eyes that mod is more dangerous to Christian beliefs than beneficial, and I do not see why anyone would want to carry it on. I am even thinking SidCiv is connected to this satire and is openly attempting to carry this sick and sad joke on. Please, just stop it. This is as bad as those Mohammad cartoons.

Stop falling for it. Somebody out there is laughing themselves silly.

 

[Heero Blaze]

Personally, I do think the mod is offensive, and I hold no religous beliefs. I personally see this as just trying to force beliefs upon somebody else which makes me extremly angry. It would be interesting what a Muslim or Hindu thinks of this mod.

I'm niether, but I am a Buddhist. I just think the mod is useless.

 

[Haarbal]

i say keep it closed...
some things i cant even get the slightest thing of what he's saying, like the following:
'even if civ4 had israel in it, i wouldn't put him there, because israel is mostly jewish'
this could be correct (i don't really know this), but i do know that the cristians are a part of believers, that split from the jews, so the cristians and the jews both existed. years later (couple of hunred) this same kind of thing happened, when the muslims split from the jews when following muhammed.
but if we go on with this, it just becomes and expansion of the other thread containing the cristian mod.

 

[ShaLouZa]

The mod isn't banned, no need to unban it. The thread has been closed because it was a troll bait, just like this one will probably be.

This mod isn't "trying to force beliefs upon somebody else" : it's meant for half-minded bigots of a particular religion, and nobody is forced to use it. If half-minded bigots of others beliefs want one, they can make it as well. As long as I don't have to use it, everyone is free to put Jesus or anyone he wants leader of anything he wants in his game. He can even skin his bombers as giant crosses, as well as painting them in flashy purple, that won't offend me.

What an useless thread.

 

[xonixs]

Jesus Christ being the leader of America

If Jesus should be a leader it should be leader of the Vatican State or Nazerat or something like that.

Ill bet my old hat that the moddevelopper was/is from USA.

Now i will check out the mod.

if u want to google:
jesus is aka Jesús de Nazareth = Jesus of Nazareth...

 

[salty]

Finally and this will be the last thing I say It does not matter whether you agree with this mods contents or not. This is a free speech and freedom of religion issue and you don't have to like the mod to support its unbanning.

Freedom of Speech does not give you the right to hand out little Psalm books on the interstate any more than it applies in these forums.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/faq.php?faq=cfc_forum_rules#faq_cfc_forum_rules_12

Personally I like the mod of your mod where lion units eat the Christian missionaries. Very funny graphics.

 

[Duelingground]

There are other forums and people can create forums for whatever they want. There shouldn't be any problem using freedom of speech, especially on the Internet.

Well, I hear what you're saying, but that's not the way it works on most sites. Freedom of speech, within the parameters of a particular forum, is no more or less than what the site owners deem relevant. Here at CivFanatics, that seems to cover anything Civ related, in most of the forums, as it should, though there is an off-topic board for religious, political, sporting, newsworthy, etc., topics of discussion.

If you have trouble believing that to be the case, then I'd recommend posting a religious or political thread on a typical sports board, and see how quickly it gets moved, if not outright deleted. I hope you can see my point.

One of the earliest lessons learned in my study of the Buddha's teachings is that there is the way things should be, and the way they are.

But, in theory I agree with you, there shouldn't be any problem with it. It's when you introduce people into the equation that it goes awry.

 

[Hardvark]

I've just looked at the forbidden fruit that is the now closed thread.

And to be perfectly honest.....

It's the funniest thing I've seen in a long time. Pure, unabashed craziness! If the whole thing wasn't one big wind-up, someone is in need of some serious help.

I'm just glad that I managed to post before this thread gets shut down for the same reason.

 

[The Q-Meister]

I said it before on the original thread and I'll say it again: As an atheist and a prould left-wing progressive (you could even call me socialist) I will defend this mods right to exist and for it to be open for download by everyone.

Even if this mod is a joke - I say so what? There are plenty of mods that are not serious and that are done in a joking manner, there is no rule stating that mods have to be serious. Even if it is a joke, which I personally don't think at least the author intended it to be even if thats how people are taking it, it has every right to exist just like like the "GW Bush leaderhead" which makes fun of him.

Also has anyone actually tried out the mod?!? We seem to be so worked up over whether we like it or not or if it's a joke or not no one seems to be commenting on how the mod actually plays out? It is true that the mod did get a 4 star rating though I don't know if that is an accurate reflection of its quality or not...