Intergalactic War

[Alan Bradely]

Look Species 8472 lives in Fluidic space which only the Borg know how to enter

After the replicator have ingested the Borg, they will next, as has been stated, improve the nanobot technology mentioned to be infinitely more effective, and know how to carry the fight to the them through fluidic space. Because we will be safe in our galaxy on the other side of the universe, and we have the only transport able to cross the gap, they will never get to use their weapon. Besides, ZPM shields would easily survive the attack, because the planet buster, although powerful, relies on a chain reaction to destroy planets.

Hopefully, you'll admit that any one of these points ends the Species 8742 threat.

 

[nc-1701]

By your own logic, the Borg should have lasted 5 whole seconds against 8472 before being completely obliterated. Did this happen? No.

wiki:
This hardly represents a terrifying rate of attrition to the Galactic empire.

This was hardly a full scale attack, more like a minor incursion. In the event of a full scale attack they wouldn't have just knocked out a few planets. They would just keep attacking...

And given a little time the crew of Voyager apparently figure out a way of fighting 8472 back to their own continuum...

Seven of Nine used the Borg method which she did not reveal.

This is a hollow threat indeed.

Do they have nanoprobes in Star Wars? Even with them god luck killing them in the few second window before Coruscant go's poof.

Oh, did I mention Federation Transphasic cloaks? They are totally invisible as well as being abl to pass through normal matter. In other words ships outfitted with it could fly into an ISd or the Death Star and drop off Species 8472, Borg drones, or Klingons. All of which could mop the deck with Jaffa or Stormtroopers.

 

[Alan Bradely]

Just saw the last post by brennan;

Come on, how many times do we have to prove Star Gate has far more advanced technology? Besides the fact that we would have destroyed the Replicator Disruptor technology, or at least left it behind in our galaxy to prevent your discovering it, and that the replicators became immune to the disruptor. The only effective weapon against them, the Dakara Superweapon, is ours, and more importantly, destroyed.

 

[brennan]

Come on, how many times do we have to prove Star Gate has far more advanced technology? Besides the fact that we would have destroyed the Replicator Disruptor technology, or at least left it behind in our galaxy to prevent your discovering it, and that the replicators became immune to the disruptor. The only effective weapon against them, the Dakara Superweapon, is ours, and more importantly, destroyed.

Actually it sounds like the threat from the SG universe is non-existent. Everyone will be long gone and it's the Replicator universe we'll be up against...

Assuming SG1 doesn't find a completely trivial way of ending the threat, and who'd bet against that? Nope all those stormtroopers can sleep soundly in their berths on board ISDs...

 

[Yuri2356]

This was hardly a full scale attack, more like a minor incursion. In the event of a full scale attack they wouldn't have just knocked out a few planets. They would just keep attacking...

That report was summarizing the entire Borg/8472 war up to that point. Note 'Over the course of Five Months'. That is the scale on which 8472 was able to plan, mobilize for, and execute operations against the Borg, who they'd comitted themselves to exterminating.

Seven of Nine used the Borg method which she did not reveal.

It was still done using only the machinery availible to a Federation starship, specificly a technology common to neigh-all trek races. (The navigational Deflector) The Empire need only capture and study a number of Trek ships, or salvage the remains of destroyed ships, in order to learn how to access Fluidic space.

Until then, automated Defence platforms could be used to guard worlds from surprise attack. Do you really think it would take that long for a small, dedicated satelite to detect a sudden surge of energy, turn itself to face the intruder, then open fire upon it? Even if the first solvo doesn't hit, it will force the Bioships to take evasive action, disrupting the formation they need to fly in to perform their planetbusting attack. Continued firing would keep them off balance until the planet's Shields were raised, at which point 8472 would need to either retreat, or face annihilation when the nearest Imperial vessel arrives in response to the threat. (Assuming that there wasn't already a garrison present at the target)

And if you propse that each attack simply charge suicidaly at the planet, ignoring enemy fire. The planet may perish, but so will they. The Empire has more planets than they do ships. Victory by simple attrition.

Do they have nanoprobes in Star Wars? Even with them god luck killing them in the few second window before Coruscant go's poof.

A half-minute would be ample time for automated weapons enplacements to engage a sudden hostile presence. And given that Borg weapons manage to occasionaly damage 8472's ships, Wars will have little problem simply whiping them out.

And a world like the Big C. would always be guarded by warships, what with being the capital and all...

Oh, did I mention Federation Transphasic cloaks? They are totally invisible as well as being abl to pass through normal matter. In other words ships outfitted with it could fly into an ISd or the Death Star and drop off Species 8472, Borg drones, or Klingons. All of which could mop the deck with Jaffa or Stormtroopers.

Invisible to Federation and Romulan sensors, and only seen to move through inert matter. (Like an asteroid) Its performance against a Shield or Starship hull is unknown, and means of detecting cloaked ships exist in Star Wars. (They scan for the disturbances in space caused by the mass of the ship itself)

 

[nc-1701]

Wait a minute this is at the current time (mid-way through season ten) so there aren't any replicators...Hah! You went and killed them all.

 

[brennan]

This was hardly a full scale attack, more like a minor incursion. In the event of a full scale attack they wouldn't have just knocked out a few planets. They would just keep attacking...

You have supporting evidence for this hypothesis? 8472 decided humans may be a major threat as a result of Voyager's actions and... started a couple of bases to launch infiltration of Federation space. Terrifying. 8472 clearly do not have the forces necessary to present a threat to SW.

 

[Alan Bradely]

This was hardly a full scale attack, more like a minor incursion. In the event of a full scale attack they wouldn't have just knocked out a few planets. They would just keep attacking...

And fail, and die...

Seven of Nine used the Borg method which she did not reveal.

Exactly, which is why we use replicators on the Borg

Do they have nanoprobes in Star Wars? Even with them god luck killing them in the few second window before Coruscant go's poof.

See earlier posts on this.

Oh, did I mention Federation Transphasic cloaks? They are totally invisible as well as being abl to pass through normal matter. In other words ships outfitted with it could fly into an ISd or the Death Star and drop off Species 8472, Borg drones, or Klingons. All of which could mop the deck with Jaffa or Stormtroopers.

To bad it won't work on Star Gate, read up on the Tollans.

And yes, the Jaffa are our weakest infantry, which is why we use: Priors (Super Jedi), and Adria (Super Prior, invulerable), who can light people on fire or kill them with their minds; replicators, who past a certain concentration are impossible to contain; kull warrior who have lots of cool features, foremost of which is bioarmour only penetrable by replicators; and the most fearsome enemy ever: Ascended infantry.
Anubis developed this idea, which involves using a DNA resequencer to bring any human, after enough treatments, to the mental level needed to ascend by will power. Even when half-formed, the proto-warrior had telepathic abilities such as stopping bullets, resisting any other force, etc.. Once we fire up the project again, we take earth's 6 billion people and turn them into beings with powers on the level of the Ancients or the Ori, but withourt the retrictions of being on the other plane of existence. These 'infantry' will basically be walking Gods, blinking starships in and out of existence, and tossing armies kilometers in the air for fun. The only reason they aren't in Star Gate is the SG-C is the only place with the technology now, and they felt it was to 'evil' to use. No more worries about that now...

 

[SG-17]

Wait a minute this is at the current time (mid-way through season ten) so there aren't any replicators...Hah! You went and killed them all.

in our galaxy, there are plenty left in Ida (asgard's) and Pegasus.


And as i have mentioned before SG shields are bubble and surface, the bubble gives it strength against attacks and beaming, while the surface prevents decompression if there is a hull breach, and more attack protection.

And the SW hyperdrive cant even pass through stars and planets they have to use hyperspace lanes, while SG operates in sub-space and can go anywhere without restriction, while warp is much slower than either.

And SG1 know how to use lightsabers effectively

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[Alan Bradely]

This should be stickied

Second that motion!

 

[taper]

Physical objects never pass through operational deflector shields.

Battle droids walked through the Gungan shields.
Xwings and Ywings passed through the Death Star's shield
The Millenium Falcon attached itself to a Star Destroyer that had it's shields up.(Don't even try to explain this away with wishful thinking, the film showed the ship attached, which is good enough for an effective missile attack.)
Obi-Wan and Anakin landed in Grevious's ship in Ep3, passing at the least the hanger bay shield, likely ship shields, again good enough for a missile.
Droideka shields interact with the ground.
Anakin's Naboo fighter passed through the Trade Federation shields.

Not that it matters, an Ori cruiser could take on a fleet of Star Destroyers.

 

[Pasi Nurminen]

Star Wars still uses lasers. Lasers in the Star Trek universe are obsolete by about two hundred years or more. Lasers would not even damage a Star Trek vessel's shields. It would be no contest; a single Star Trek ship would wipe out a nearly infinite number of Star Wars ships.

 

[brennan]

Star Wars still uses lasers. Lasers in the Star Trek universe are obsolete by about two hundred years or more. Lasers would not even damage a Star Trek vessel's shields. It would be no contest; a single Star Trek ship would wipe out a nearly infinite number of Star Wars ships.

They're not lasers. Duh.

 

[brennan]

Battle droids walked through the Gungan shields.
Xwings and Ywings passed through the Death Star's shield
The Millenium Falcon attached itself to a Star Destroyer that had it's shields up.(Don't even try to explain this away with wishful thinking, the film showed the ship attached, which is good enough for an effective missile attack.)
Obi-Wan and Anakin landed in Grevious's ship in Ep3, passing at the least the hanger bay shield, likely ship shields, again good enough for a missile.
Droideka shields interact with the ground.
Anakin's Naboo fighter passed through the Trade Federation shields.

Not that it matters, an Ori cruiser could take on a fleet of Star Destroyers.

Whatever the Gungans were using was some sort of variation on their water-repelling bubbles. Not deflector shields.
The MF magnetically grappled an ISD, it was sitting right on top of the deflector presumably - right next to the hull.
Hangers are a known weak spot - so long as you can penetrate them while the shield is down, which it clearly was on thi occasion.
So?
Same way the rebel fighters get throught the 1st Death Star's 'magnetic shields' (NOT deflector shields) in ANH.

 

[Perfection]

They're not lasers. Duh.

What are they?

 

[brennan]

Scaled-up variations on blaster technology. Misleading named 'turbo LASERS'.

 

[Pasi Nurminen]

And what exactly is a blaster then? A laser. According to wiki, scaled up more powerful lasers, but still just lasers and wholly obsolete by Star Trek standards. You may as well try and use a longbow against an M1A2.

 

[brennan]

And what exactly is a blaster then? A laser. According to wiki, scaled up more powerful lasers, but still just lasers and wholly obsolete by Star Trek standards. You may as well try and use a longbow against an M1A2.

They are blatantly not Lasers. They don't propogate at c for starters. Care to explain what a 'phaser' is?

Edit wiki says they are some form of particle beam weapon. NOT lasers.

 

[Pasi Nurminen]

Turbolasers are the immensely scaled up versions of the blasters and laser cannons shown in the films

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbolaser#Turbolasers

Clearly they are, and the differences between blasters and lasers are purely semantic.

Here are phasers, much more destructive.

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Phaser

Obviously both are bunk science but phasers are more powerful. Star Trek shields are also obviously much more powerful than Star Wars "deflector shields," which in Star Trek are just used for navigation.

 

[brennan]

Laser beams propogate at c. Blaster bolts do not. Blasters are not lasers. The end.

The trouble with phasers is that they are shown being used to such ludicrous ranges of efficacy that it is impossible to establish exactly how powerful they are. In one episode Data uses a hand-held phaser to vapourise an aqueduct a couple of miles long. In other episodes they cannot melt big rocks. What are we to make of this - apart from the fact that ST relies more upon technobabble than continuity?

About the only area where phasers appear to be shown consistently is their effect upon unshielded vessels - where phasers fail to cause catastrophic damage unless they set of the target's warp core. From this we can see that phasers are certainly less effective than equivalent blaster weapons - where a turbolaser blasts a big chunk out of the target vessel, a phaser will merely leave a great welt - as though it were a big laser. Clearly the TurboLasers sported by capital ships in SW are more powerful.


From your wiki source:

Many starships carry beam weaponry. These are basically cannons, turrets, or batteries that fire energy beams: most commonly lasers, but also ion and masers. They all use gas (commonly Tibanna gas) as ammunition, which is electrically charged by a power source and converted into electrically charged plasma atoms/molecules. This plasma is focused and galvenned by magnetic coils, and it's fired. This is not a laser in the conventional sense of the term

It may be called a laser, but it is definitely not what we would recognise as a LASER.

(plasma atoms and molecules?????? Worst science ever...)