Legal Discussion on Naming Rights

[Provolution]

Legal Discussion on Naming Rights

Amendment Proposal Discussion

The pollers of the approval poll failed to respect the integrity and the numerous requests for using our nominated unit names. The note of making the Commander of the Armed Forces responsible for unit names hijacked that proposal, ignoring the vast majority of gamers that has nominated their unit names in the citizen registry.

CoL

A. Citizen Rights
1. Naming Rights
a. City Names
All cities founded by $COUNTRY_NAME will be named by citizens
using a rank-based system. The President will maintain this
list in a thread. Should a citizen fail to provide a city name,
they will be skipped until they provide a city name. The
$DOMESTIC_LEADER_TITLE will include the city name to be used in
the instructions to found that city. No citizen may name more
than one city until all citizens have named a city.

1. Ranking Order - elected officials
The rank order is based on the term and the Chain of
Command. All officials of an earlier term have priority
over officials of a later term. Within a term, the Chain of
Command will determine who has priority.
2. Ranking Order - citizens
Once all elected officials have named cities, the Citizen
Regsitry will be used to name cities, using the order
citizens were registered.

b. Province Names
The first Governor of a province will name the province.

c. Unit Names
The Commander of Armed Forces will utilize the unit naming
preferences within the Citizen Registry thread to rename all
military units.

d. Unit Names
Units of renown and fame may be renamed by the $MILITARY_LEADER.
Units renamed as such are subject to a confirmation poll.

e. Natural Feature Names
All natural features within a province may be named by the
Governor of the province.

Have added the following discussion in the approval poll

MOTH
I voted no. The last part of the discussion about unit names was not included. We will have so many units we should allow every citizen the right to name 1 unit.

Strider
We can amend it later, it's not a major aspect of the game. Were much better off passing this for we can move forward, instead of messing around with pointless topics. I know exactly what your talking about, but for the sake of progress, we all have to give up something.

MOTH
Good point. Can a moderator please change my No vote to a Yes vote?

The following Amendment is proposed

d. Unit Names
Units of renown and fame may be renamed by the $MILITARY_LEADER.
Units renamed as such are subject to a confirmation poll.

changed to

c. Unit Names
The Notary of Names and Titles will utilize the unit naming
preferences within the Citizen Registry, ordered by the time of registry starting from the beginning of the thread to rename all
military units.

d. Unit Names
Units of renown and fame may be renamed by the $MILITARY_LEADER.
Units renamed as such are subject to a confirmation poll.

I do not accept that this trespass should be in our laws, and will hereby seek to amend it. Citizens stand up for your rights and support this amendment.
Besides, this poll was invalid, as it left out Section 3. from the poll. According to the Constitution, the entire law polled must be posted. Therefore, this adjustment, supported by the majority, requires rewriting, with these changes and to be run by a new approval poll. We cannot let poor craftsmanship run our country.

For evidence to the leaving out of Section C in the official approval poll. I added the following thread. Feel free to find section C. there. You won't find it.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=112556

 

[Provolution]

Any comments on fixing this Naming Law ? Based on the fact that three mistakes were done in taking the majority interests from the discussions, the poll itself and then the final drafting of the constitution?

 

[ravensfire]

Sure - not needed. Work with the Commander of Armed Forces to create the procedures you've outlined. It's faster, works within the law and gets the job done.

Sometimes, a sledgehammer isn't needed. In this case, a light tap with a tack hammer will accomplish things faster and more efficiently.

I wholeheartedly disagree with your statement that this is a "mistake", Provo. It's not. The responsibility was clearly and concisely defined. Work with CG on creating the very procedures you're looking for. It WILL get the job done, and will get it done much, much faster.

Finally, if you would be so kind as to look at the Constitution thread, you'll see that the error in labeling was corrected. There is a "C" clause there. You should always start with the ruleset thread, not the approval threads.

-- Ravensfire

 

[Provolution]

Wellwell. I thought setting up the Notary for Names and Titles was intended to name
cities and units in one city. What a joke. The president could basically cut and paste the election for the terms results and add these to the list on a monthly basis.

The Notary of Names and Titles is redundant, since this task is so extremely simple, and the bulk of the job transferred to the military commander. No need to keep such an office operational, the President got the full list right there, or can do it himself in 5 minutes (I did most of the "job" this time around). If we close down this office, there is one office less to care about for absence purposes.

 

[DaveShack]

I wanted the naming office to organize naming of everything, but the point is we shouldn't change anything at this point unless what we're changing is not working.

 

[Provolution]

I mean, we could create a lot of organizational junk if we wanted to. We do not need a separate official to prepare 13 city names per month based on the election results. That is ridiculous, we should let this be a Presidential authority, nothing else.

Just copy and paste the election list from CoC, and you will be good to go, omit old names you know named a city. Point is, because it is "working", you should not keep it if it is needless work you could do much more effectively.

 

[mad-bax]

Just for the sake of argument.

The Commander intends to name units in order of citizen registration date.
The Constitution requires city naming in order of citizen registration date except that a few individuals jump the queue because of their position.

Later registered citizens will then have neither a city name or a unit name, whilst others will have both.

Does this strike anyone as unfair?

Also, it doesn't appear to me that it requires anyone in charge of naming cities and units. The whole process could be prescribed in law and thus reduce it to an administrative task. City naming already is I think.

 

[Eklektikos]

I mean, we could create a lot of organizational junk if we wanted to. We do not need a separate official to prepare 13 city names per month based on the election results. That is ridiculous, we should let this be a Presidential authority, nothing else.

If you could give an example or two of how you feel the current system is hurting the game then perhaps your ideas for change might get a bit more support. I'm afraid that as things currently stand I can see no compelling reason for implementing them.

 

[ravensfire]

Just for the sake of argument.

The Commander intends to name units in order of citizen registration date.
The Constitution requires city naming in order of citizen registration date except that a few individuals jump the queue because of their position.

Later registered citizens will then have neither a city name or a unit name, whilst others will have both.

Does this strike anyone as unfair?

Also, it doesn't appear to me that it requires anyone in charge of naming cities and units. The whole process could be prescribed in law and thus reduce it to an administrative task. City naming already is I think.

Link to poll on this matter There's also a link to the discussion at the top of that poll.

-- Ravensfire

 

[ravensfire]

I mean, we could create a lot of organizational junk if we wanted to. We do not need a separate official to prepare 13 city names per month based on the election results. That is ridiculous, we should let this be a Presidential authority, nothing else.

Pstt, don't read the ruleset, 'cause that's how it currently works. See, the Prez just delegated that to someone else.

Hey - didn't someone do that last DG, where they delegated aspects of the military to other citizens?

-- Ravensfire