ahh sorry Eliminator, forgot about the other question. Yes, I did render the ADATS at a larger frame size, but it wasn't that much diff (M113 80x80, ADATS 90x90) but to tell the truth, I havn't loaded them both into Civ at the same time, just compared them against the standard Modern Armour. The ADATS is a bit larger than the standard M113 but I'll have to take a look at if I screwed it up too badly