Mandela -- South Africa's answer to Louis Farrakhan

[amadeus]

Nelson Mandela: The United States of America is a Threat to World Peace

http://www.msnbc.com/news/806174.asp?cp1=1

An amusing quote from the article:

"…Scott Ritter, a former United Nations arms inspector who is in Baghdad, has said that there is no evidence whatsoever of [development of weapons of] mass destruction."

...get our your wavy lines, because we're going to have a flashback, here... way back in 1998. PBS's NewsHour.

Mr. Ritter: "Iraq still has prescribed weapons capability."

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/july-dec98/ritter_8-31.html

A little background information, though, is that Ritter, when a few days ago, he said Iraq isn't developing NBC weapons, an interesting piece of news surfaced -- he had been paid $400,000 U.S. dollars to make a pro-Hussein movie. Sounds like a kickback.

But, getting back to the original article...

Let me be the first to say: NO -- such claims are ridiciulous and very insulting to those that died a year ago.

 

[Fez_Monk]

Methinks rmsharpe has taken a strange interest in Louis Farrakhan lately......

 

[amadeus]

I always like to make fun of Louis Fairy-Khan.

 

[Dr. Dr. Doktor]

Elderly people usually tell the truth since they are not too concerned with the possible consequences. If Mandela is insulting anyone they had better stand in line. There are millions and millions of people around the world who are having their intelligence insulted on a daily basis. By Tony Blair, the U.S administration and the pornographers at CNN and what have you.

 

[Sanaz]

That was a good article about a great man. Any comparison to Farrakhan is embarassing. Anyone who thinks that the US attitude towards world politics is NOT dangerous has probably not been around the world very much, and is likely brainwashed by the government and media. That's OK, because they are also irrelevant and inconsequential. I am just glad that people are still willing to showcase Nelson Mandela as a role model for fighting for what is REALLY right, and what are REAL values, in a world too quick to accept the easy "solutions" presented by a corrupt power elite.

 

[Eowyn of Rohan]

Interesting to see that the anniversary hasn't even come and already people of very little brain [to quote AA Milne] are using it is a political gimmick. You disgust me!

"Louis Fairy-Khan."

remember what I said about nursery rhymes a few threads back? still at it I see.

And having UN support is very important! Acting unilaterally won't get ANYONE ANYWHERE! How many of the Arab states already hate the US? If the US goes ahead WITHOUT international support that's just more wheat for the propoganda mill.

 

[bobgote]

Who the hell is Louis Farrakhan??

Nelson Mandela is right on the ball, and is entirely correct. This is the way I see things, as well as many other people. Now kindly don't go around abusing someone the likes of Mandela.

 

[Simon Darkshade]

Ritter is a fool out of touch with any current information, and with a clear, perverse political agenda.

As for Mandela, one has never altered from p.o.v. that he is a terrorist who should have been hanged in the 1960s.

 

[Ohkrana]

Originally posted by Simon Darkshade
Ritter is a fool out of touch with any current information, and with a clear, perverse political agenda.

As for Mandela, one has never altered from p.o.v. that he is a terrorist who should have been hanged in the 1960s.

Heer! heer! Not to mention his ex-wife is LMF.

 

[animepornstar]

if the apartheid regime still would exist, how would the terrorist organization anc be treaten today by the rest of the world? worth thinking about...

 

[Panda]

Originally posted by Dr. Dr. Doktor
the pornographers at CNN

 

[bigfatron]

Originally posted by Simon Darkshade
Ritter is a fool out of touch with any current information, and with a clear, perverse political agenda.

As for Mandela, one has never altered from p.o.v. that he is a terrorist who should have been hanged in the 1960s.

How sad for you that 99.9% of the world's population thinks that he is one of the greatest civil rights leaders of the last century.

There is probably no-one else in the world whose opinions command the same respect as Mandela's and for good reason - he has earned the right to respect, something which cannot be said for his (few) detractors.

Still, at least you, RM Sharpe and Dick Cheney can feel a warm glow of contentment in your cosy-little ultra-right world.

 

[Zwelgje]

Comparing Mandela to Farrakhan is disgusting...
Mandela is a widely respected man while Farrakhan obviously is not, you may not like what Mandela says about your country but some respect for other people's opinion would be alright.

 

[Eklektikos]

I think Mandela's statements make a lot of sense. Also, I feel that attempts to use the undeniable tragedy of the 11th of September as some kind of justification for the invasion of a nation that has no proven link to the perpetrators is a greater insult to the victims' memories than well reasoned criticism of US foreign policy.

 

[knowltok2]

Originally posted by Eklektikos
Also, I feel that attempts to use the undeniable tragedy of the 11th of September as some kind of justification for the invasion of a nation that has no proven link to the perpetrators is a greater insult to the victims' memories than well reasoned criticism of US foreign policy.

I agree. I just wasn't aware that that was the reason for a proposed invasion of Iraq.

As far as the comparison goes, I agree with those that say it is unfair. In reading the article it appears to me that Mandela may be putting too much credence in news articles and hearsay, and is using an interesting tactic of bringing up what many others feel, but he doesn't (the race thing with the secretary general), but no matter his statements in this article, he is nowhere near Loius Farakhan <sp> and any comparison is unfair.

 

[Richard III]

I've posted my thoughts on Mandela elsewhere; more here to add an interesting article from the always-foresighted CSM.

www.csmonitor.com/2002/0911/p02s03-wogi.html

I am interested in the emphasis on the "with us or against us attitude" as a cause of this shift


R.III

 

[amadeus]

I think more of you are paying attention to Iraq versus what Mandela said, that the U.S. is a threat to world peace?

Any objective observer of American history will tell you that the United States has done more good than any and all other superpowers combined. Of course, I'm not denying the mistakes of the past, but to make a judgement simply based on those mistakes is wrong, and ignorant of Mr. Mandela to do so.

 

[Alcibiaties of Athenae]

To tell the truth, without mentioning names, many of you at CFC disgust me.

Someday you will understand freedom isn't a gift, or a right, it must be fought for and protected.

You should thank your lucky stars we have it, or you wouldn't be able to loose the assinine anti-US rants that are so previlant ( and so misgiuded it would be laughable if it wasn't so tragic).

People try to paint Bush as evil, when it was Bin Laden, with the full support of men like Hussien that murder innocents, because THEY can't force the world to accept their views.

Normally I keep civil, and allow for immaturity and the fact that foriegners to The US don't really know AT ALL what they are talking about concerning the USA, but on this day, and only this day, I WILL tell you.

You are damned stupid, and you'd best wake up to it, before all freedom is lost.

Some of you make me want to vomit.

That's it, I'm back to my normal moderator postion.

 

[nixon]

People do not know what freedom is until it has been taken away from them.

Every minute, every day, hundreds of innocent human beings are being violated of their rights that should, as citizens of this planet, guarantee them the right to pursue their own lives.

Something we'll never learn completely.

 

[Akka]

Originally posted by nixon
People do not know what freedom is until it has been taken away from them.

Every minute, every day, hundreds of innocent human beings are being violated of their rights that should, as citizens of this planet, guarantee them the right to pursue their own lives.

Something we'll never learn completely.

Well, I decided to not post anything controversial today, due to the events of the past year, but that is pushing the line a bit too far.

Here we have the poster Nixon which is giving lesson about violated rights and how people don't value freedom until it has been taken from them.
Yes, this comes from the exact same one that said :

"Pinochet was a great man, unfortunately he's been persecuted by the left-wing press in these years. Indeed, he saved Chile from total misery and devastation, reinstated a high morale in the military and led the country with an iron fist. He followed Fascist doctrine and should be hailed and applauded for his splendid achievements."

I don't know if I have to puke when I see such a man acting as an advocate for democracy, freedom and justice.

I should perhaps remind to some of our American friends that 11 september is also the day where Allende was assassinated in a coup d'état directly led by the CIA, and was replaced by a fascist dictator that violated rights and took freedom away from people.

I respect the pain of the population of USA, I understand how they feel threatened. Though I disagree with them about how it is actually done, I agree with them that Saddam Hussein should be removed. I share their determination to fight Al-Qaida.

But now, once this said, I would advise some of them to give what they ask for : respect and understanding about the pain you suffer when you lose loved ones and when your rights are being threatened by an alien ennemy.

In other words : don't act hight and haughty and remember you are not the only one to suffer on this Earth and you're not the only ones who wish for revenge.