Moroccan Civilization / Berber Civ! (Scientific Minor Implements)

[TheSkunkist]

Whats up guys, I was wanting to know if this Military General can be appropiate for the future civ iv expansions.

I would love to see, Tariq ibn Ziyad or Taric bin Zeyad (720), known in Spanish history and legend as Taric el Tuerto, was a Berber Muslim and Umayyad general who led the conquest of Visigothic Hispania in 711. He is considered by many to be one of the best generals in military history.

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariq_Ibn_Ziyad]

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Tarik's Address to His Soldiers, 711 CE

When Tarik had been informed of the approach of the enemy, he rose in the midst of his companions and, after having glorified God in the highest, he spoke to his soldiers thus:

"Oh my warriors, whither would you flee? Behind you is the sea, before you, the enemy. You have left now only the hope of your courage and your constancy. Remember that in this country you are more unfortunate than the orphan seated at the table of the avaricious master. Your enemy is before you, protected by an innumerable army; he has men in abundance, but vou, as your only aid, have your own swords, and, as your only chance for life, such chance as you can snatch from the hands of your enemy. If the absolute want to which you are reduced is prolonged ever so little, if you delay to seize immediate success, your good fortune will vanish, and your enemies, whom your very presence has filled with fear, will take courage. Put far from you the disgrace from which you flee in dreams, and attack this monarch who has left his strongly fortified city to meet you. Here is a splendid opportunity to defeat him, if you will consent to expose yourselves freelv to death. Do not believe that I desire to incite you to face dangers which I shall refuse to share with you. In the attack I myself will be in the fore, where the chance of life is always least.

"Remember that if you suffer a few moments in patience, you will afterward enjoy supreme delight. Do not imagine that your fate can be separated from mine, and rest assured that if you fall, I shall perish with you, or avenge you. You have heard that in this country there are a large number of ravishingly beautiful Greek maidens, their graceful forms are draped in sumptuous gowns on which gleam pearls, coral, and purest gold, and they live in the palaces of royal kings. The Commander of True Believers, Alwalid, son of Abdalmelik, has chosen you for this attack from among all his Arab warriors; and he promises that you shall become his comrades and shall hold the rank of kings in this country. Such is his confidence in your intrepidity. The one fruit which he desires to obtain from your bravery is that the word of God shall be exalted in this country, and that the true religion shall be established here. The spoils will belong to yourselves.

"Remember that I place myself in the front of this glorious charge which I exhort you to make. At the moment when the two armies meet hand to hand, you will see me, never doubt it, seeking out this Roderick, tyrant of his people, challenging him to combat, if God is willing. If I perish after this, I will have had at least the satisfaction of delivering you, and you will easily find among you an experienced hero, to whom you can confidently give the task of directing you. But should I fall before I reach to Roderick, redouble your ardor, force yourselves to the attack and achieve the conquest of this country, in depriving him of life. With him dead, his soldiers will no longer defy you."

He was initially the deputy of Musa ibn Nusair in North Africa, and was sent by his superior to launch the first thrust of an invasion of the Iberian peninsula. Some claim that he was invited to intervene by the heirs of the Visigothic King, Wittiza, in the Visigothic civil war.

On April 30, 711, the armies of Tariq landed at Gibraltar (the name Gibraltar is derived from the Arabic name Jabal Al Tariq, which means mountain of Tariq). Upon landing, Tariq is said to have made the following speech, well-known in the Arab world, to his soldiers (supposedly after burning his boats, according to some accounts, others think that the speech is totally apocryphal):
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أيّها الناس، أين المفر؟ البحر من ورائكم، والعدوّ أمامكم، وليس لكم والله إلا الصدق والصبر...
Hey People ! There is nowhere to run away! The sea is behind you, and the enemy in front of you: i swear to God, you have only sincerity and patience, and no minister but your swords (as recounted by al-Maqqari).
The Moorish armies swept through Iberia and, in the summer of 711, won a decisive victory when the Visigoth king, Roderic, was defeated and killed on July 19th at the Battle of Guadalete. Afterwards, Tariq was made governor of Hispania for a while but eventually returned to Morocco.

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Averroes (Ibn Rushd) (1126 – December 10, 1198) was an Andalusian-Arab philosopher and physician, a master of philosophy and Islamic law, mathematics, and medicine. He was born in Cordoba, Spain, and died in Marrakesh, Morocco. His school of philosophy is known as Averroism.

Thanks!

Regards,

 

[TheSkunkist]

 

[Los Tirano]

If true, this man knew how to inspire his followers. Its a good speech, worthy of great deeds.

 

[Caleb_kreegan]

It was easy for Tarik to take a divided and betrayed kingdom by an own Visigoth who allowed the entrance of the moors to Spain.
The entrance of the contingent bereberes commanded by Tariq in the 711, was due to a military alliance of Akhila, the king's son Witiza whose throne was usurped by Rodrigo, for what were introduced in the conflict of the morbus gothorum that faced to both factions for the control of the monarchy. Conquered the rodrigistas the witizanos preferred to give the Muslims the sovereignty and the political control of an unstable monarchy, being that compensated with the recognition of properties, religion and own authorities.
For luck, a single well-known man as Don Pelayo faced with only 300 men to the Muslim forces in the Cantabrian mountain range, only using stones like weapons in front of armed Muslims with alfanjes in The Battle of Covadonga.
Centuries later men like the Valiant Cid and Alfonso VIII conquered and eradicated the taifas Kingdom that the descendants of Tarik had been founded in the Iberian peninsula, receiving this way the punishment to an uncompromising, expansionary, fundamentalist and totalitarian civilization.

Later any rake of the Muslims in Spain was banished. all moors were expelled of the Iberian peninsula in 1492 by Isabel the Catholic whose armies defeated the last Muslim descendant of Tarik, Boabdil king of Granada whose mother told him before retiring to Morocco: "Crie like a woman what you have not known how to defend as a man."

 

[TheSkunkist]

It was easy for Tarik to take a divided and betrayed kingdom by an own Visigoth who allowed the entrance of the moors to Spain.
The entrance of the contingent bereberes commanded by Tariq in the 711, was due to a military alliance of Akhila, the king's son Witiza whose throne was usurped by Rodrigo, for what were introduced in the conflict of the morbus gothorum that faced to both factions for the control of the monarchy. Conquered the rodrigistas the witizanos preferred to give the Muslims the sovereignty and the political control of an unstable monarchy, being that compensated with the recognition of properties, religion and own authorities.
For luck, a single well-known man as Don Pelayo faced with only 300 men to the Muslim forces in the Cantabrian mountain range, only using stones like weapons in front of armed Muslims with alfanjes in The Battle of Covadonga.
Centuries later men like the Valiant Cid and Alfonso VIII conquered and eradicated the taifas Kingdom that the descendants of Tarik had been founded in the Iberian peninsula, receiving this way the punishment to an uncompromising, expansionary, fundamentalist and totalitarian civilization.

Later any rake of the Muslims in Spain was banished. all moors were expelled of the Iberian peninsula in 1492 by Isabel the Catholic whose armies defeated the last Muslim descendant of Tarik, Boabdil king of Granada whose mother told him before retiring to Morocco: "Crie like a woman what you have not known how to defend as a man."

Dear Admin/Mod

Admin, kick this lunatic out of my thread... (Apologies for my extreme negative attitude but please read further) I was not looking for a fight (laughs), was just trying to introduce a possible new civilization I was going to work on. Who is this moron who tries to spread self-developed historical dogma’s at my thread? Dude, I follow what is true; the last statement by Boabdil's "so called" mother is probably the fakest thing I have ever heard. Prove it with authentic text that this is indeed legitimate and valid. Seems to me you’re an anti-Muslim making that kind of fictional biased statements up. I am a first year history student at Simon-Frasier University, If we were such cowards, then we would not have led the conquest and not spend 7 centuries ruling you pathetic Spaniards. Even the Jews preferred to live under Muslim rule, Europe was indeed backward and it was not of the best interest for the scientific Muslims emerging in the Middle East and North Africa. Seems to me, the whole purpose of you answering so negatively is under the circumstances that you are ‘jealous,’ and a potential coward. If I wanted to start a fight here, I would start to accuse Spaniards and Spain for their flaws in history. The Visgoths where the primary power in same during the 7th century. I am pretty sure everyone on this forum will take my side in this situation. My whole point of developing this thread was to introduce a new civilization I was working on - not to enflame some psychopathic mentally ill people like yourself who know nothing better then to retaliate violently and 'barbarically.'

Regards,

 

[TheSkunkist]

It was easy for Tarik to take a divided and betrayed kingdom by an own Visigoth who allowed the entrance of the moors to Spain.
The entrance of the contingent bereberes commanded by Tariq in the 711, was due to a military alliance of Akhila, the king's son Witiza whose throne was usurped by Rodrigo, for what were introduced in the conflict of the morbus gothorum that faced to both factions for the control of the monarchy. Conquered the rodrigistas the witizanos preferred to give the Muslims the sovereignty and the political control of an unstable monarchy, being that compensated with the recognition of properties, religion and own authorities.
For luck, a single well-known man as Don Pelayo faced with only 300 men to the Muslim forces in the Cantabrian mountain range, only using stones like weapons in front of armed Muslims with alfanjes in The Battle of Covadonga.
Centuries later men like the Valiant Cid and Alfonso VIII conquered and eradicated the taifas Kingdom that the descendants of Tarik had been founded in the Iberian peninsula, receiving this way the punishment to an uncompromising, expansionary, fundamentalist and totalitarian civilization.

Later any rake of the Muslims in Spain was banished. all moors were expelled of the Iberian peninsula in 1492 by Isabel the Catholic whose armies defeated the last Muslim descendant of Tarik, Boabdil king of Granada whose mother told him before retiring to Morocco: "Crie like a woman what you have not known how to defend as a man."

BTW- There was no emerging powers in Spain during the Berber rule. Rewise your history. The Battle of Tours (often called the Battle of Poitiers, but not to be confused with the Battle of Poitiers, 1356) was fought on October 10, 732 between forces under the Frankish leader Charles Martel and a massive invading Islamic army led by Emir Abdul Rahman Al Ghafiqi Abd al Rahman, near the city of Tours, France. During the battle, the Franks defeated the Islamic army and Emir Abd er Rahman was killed. This battle stopped the northward advance of Islam from the Iberian peninsula, and is considered by most historians to be of macrohistorical importance, in that it halted the Islamic conquests, and preserved Christianity as the controlling faith in Europe, during a period in which Islam was overrunning the remains of the old Roman and Persian Empires.

The Reason behind the Defeat:

It might have been different, however, had the Muslim forces remained under control. Both western and Muslim histories agree the battle was hard fought, and that the Muslim heavy cavalry had broken into the square, but agreed that the Franks were in formation still stoutly resisting. "The Moslem horsemen dashed fierce and frequent forward against the battalions of the Franks, who resisted manfully, and many fell dead on either side," (from the Anon Arab Chronicler: The Battle of Poitiers, 732). Those Muslims who had broken into the square, had attempted to kill Martel, but as described above, his leige men surrounded him and would not be broken. But the battle was still in flux when Frankish histories claim that the rumor went through the Arab army that Frankish scouts threatened the booty they had taken from Bordeaux and muslim troops at once broke off the battle, and returned to camp to secure their booty. (Charles supposedly had sent scouts to cause chaos in the Muslim base camp, and free as many of the slaves as possible, hoping to draw off part of his foe, it succeeded beyond his wildest dreams, as many of the Muslim Cavalry returned to their camp. This, to the rest of the Muslim army, appeared to be a full-scale retreat, and soon it was one}. According to Muslim accounts of the battle, in the midst of the fighting on the second day, (Frankish accounts have the battle lasting one day only), scouts from the Franks sent by Charles began to raid the camp and supply train (including slaves and other plunder). Immediately, part of the Muslim cavalry rode back to the camp to save their plunder. This, to the rest of the Muslim army, appeared to be a full-scale retreat, and soon it was one. While attempting to restore order to his men, who had managed to break into the defensive square, Abd er Rahman was surrounded by Franks and killed, and the Muslims returned to their camp.

Both histories agree that while attempting to stop the retreat, Abd er Rahman became surrounded, which led to his death, and the Muslims then withdrew altogether to their camp.

The next day, when the Muslims did not renew the battle, the Franks feared an ambush. Only after extensive reconnaissance by Frankish soldiers of the Muslim camp was it discovered that the Muslims had retreated during the night.

That was basically the end of Muslim Expansion in Spain and France. "No Spanish" power threated before the Battle of Tours. It was later that after the regrouping, unification and expansion of Charles Martel's Army did the so called "Ferious" Spanish got a chance to take back their own mother land. Many mistakes occur, and the Caliphate in Baghdad was on the eve of breaking when minor emirs in North Africa and Southern Spain rebelled and withdrawed from the Caliphate Dominance. When ties between Muslim Spain and Ummayad power in Baghdad were discontinued, that is believed to be where the problem arises of weakeness.

The foundations of Andalucian hegemony rested on a considerable economic capacity based on important trade, a developed craft industry and an agriculture know-how which was much more efficient than anything else in the rest of Europe. The Cordoban caliphate had a currency-based economy, and the injection of coinage played a central role in its financial splendour. The gold Cordobes coin became the principal currency of the period and was probably imitated by the Carolingian empire.

Therefore, the Cordoban caliphate was the first urban and commercial economy that had flourished in Europe since the disappearance of the Roman Wmpire. The capital and most important city of the Caliphate, Cordoba, had some 100,000 inhabitants, making it Europe's principal urban concentration during that epoch.

Muslim Spain produced a flourishing culture, aboce all after the Caliph Al-Hakam II (961-976) came to power. He is credited with founding a library of hundreds of thousands of volumes, which was practically inconceivable in Europe at that time. The most distinctive feature of this calture was the early readoption of classical philosophy by Ibn Masarra, Abentofain, Averroes and the Jew Maimonide. But the Spanish-Muslim thinkers stood out, abouve all in medicine, mathematics andastronomy.

The fragmentation of the Cordoban Caliphate took place at the end of the first decade of the 11th century; this came about as a result of the enormous war effort deployed by the last Cordoban leaders and the suffocating fiscal pressures. The thirty-nine successors of the united Caliphate became known as the first (1009-1090) Ta'ifas (petty kingdoms), a name which has passed into the Spanish language as a synonym for the ruin generated by the fragmentation and disunity of the Peninsula. This division occurred twice again, thereby creating second and third Ta'ifas and producing a series of new invasions from the north of Africa. The first time the Almoravides (1090), invaded the Peninsula, the second time it was the Almohads (1146) and the third, the Banu Marins (1224). This progressive weakening meant that by the middle of the 13th century, Islamic Spain was reduced to the Nasrid Kingdom in Granada. Located between the Srait of Gibraltar and Cape Gata, this historical relic did not capitulate until 2 January 1492, at the end of the Reconquest.

Had Abdur Rahman Al Gaffiqi not fallen at the Battle of Tours, Spain would always remain under Muslim Control and Europe would have faced a swift collision with Islam as her new Primary Faith. In Contrary, your so called "Spanish Heroes," who were responsible for the "Decesive Reconquista" would have never been born unfortunetly.

(Abdur Rahman Al Gaffiqi at the Battle of Tours-Poitters -> Where the Ultimate Fate of Europe and Christianity resided upon)

 

[Caleb_kreegan]

I like to see how you begin your replica swearing. That gives me two statements: the first one is I hurt you when I answering your repugnant first post in which one you not only demostrate the affiliation that you have with Tarik and their retinue but rather you use your post to make fun adding a coarse comic. The second one is you have lost all rake of reason that you could have.
You say that I am a coward, however I have not hidden my nationality not like you. Who is the coward of both?
In answer to the sentence of Boabdil's mother you can find the proof here :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boabdil : " Boabdil is said to have looked back and grieved for the fall of his kingdom. His mother is said to have mocked him, saying "It is good that you weep like a woman for what you could not keep as a man." (I have proofs, i'm not a liar like you).
You add that muslisms introduced technical and scientific improvements in Al andalus (Iberian Peninsula under the yoke of muslims) however they did by conquering and killing under the pretext of their sacred war "yihad".
Nobody asked them to go to the peninsula and I am sure that none of people that lived there felt good having to change their religion or to support the presence of an expansionary civilization.
That argument " I expand to improve the conditions of the infidels' life and to implant them my religion "that you have used reminds me the pretext that Europeans colonialists used when they conquered Africa or Asia "Ey, they are
barbarians, we have to civilize them although they have not requested it to us" just to get the natural resources of those regions, like the muslims did with the Iberian peninsula because they lived in the ****ing desert.
You accuse us (the Spaniards) of our falls in the history, I don't know exactly what you refer, I suppose that it is similar of comparable that to any other colonialist civilization that expanded in their moment like England, France, the Nazi Germany, the Muslims. However I assure you that our crimes are not anything comparable to the crimes that carried out and that the Muslims even carry out right now with their terrorist attacks.
I paste a sentence of Boabdil from a web page as a proof because you have called me liar, however it's sad to see how you paste a whole article because you are unable to respond (at least you could have had the fineness of indicating where you have taken out the text, as you have not done it then i will do it because I don't want that nobody thinks that you have written it :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tours , http://www.sispain.org/english/history/muslim.html)
I see that you have used many webs to document yourself, I guess that you wanted to make sure well the information, you didn't have it before because you are not more than an ignoramus.

For your misfortune and of your fellow men (Muslims) there will always be valiant men (in this case those that you called "spanish heroes") that plead for the freedom of the countries and that they don't allow that uncompromising nations as yours complete their totalitarian desires.

 

[Civrules]

Moderator Action: Cease the bickering before it gets worse. Also, moved to the main C&C forum since there is no file to download here. (This forum is only for completed modpacks.)
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889

 

[TheSkunkist]

I like to see how you begin your replica swearing. That gives me two statements: the first one is I hurt you when I answering your repugnant first post in which one you not only demostrate the affiliation that you have with Tarik and their retinue but rather you use your post to make fun adding a coarse comic. The second one is you have lost all rake of reason that you could have.
You say that I am a coward, however I have not hidden my nationality not like you. Who is the coward of both?
In answer to the sentence of Boabdil's mother you can find the proof here :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boabdil : " Boabdil is said to have looked back and grieved for the fall of his kingdom. His mother is said to have mocked him, saying "It is good that you weep like a woman for what you could not keep as a man." (I have proofs, i'm not a liar like you).
You add that muslisms introduced technical and scientific improvements in Al andalus (Iberian Peninsula under the yoke of muslims) however they did by conquering and killing under the pretext of their sacred war "yihad".
Nobody asked them to go to the peninsula and I am sure that none of people that lived there felt good having to change their religion or to support the presence of an expansionary civilization.
That argument " I expand to improve the conditions of the infidels' life and to implant them my religion "that you have used reminds me the pretext that Europeans colonialists used when they conquered Africa or Asia "Ey, they are
barbarians, we have to civilize them although they have not requested it to us" just to get the natural resources of those regions, like the muslims did with the Iberian peninsula because they lived in the ****ing desert.
You accuse us (the Spaniards) of our falls in the history, I don't know exactly what you refer, I suppose that it is similar of comparable that to any other colonialist civilization that expanded in their moment like England, France, the Nazi Germany, the Muslims. However I assure you that our crimes are not anything comparable to the crimes that carried out and that the Muslims even carry out right now with their terrorist attacks.
I paste a sentence of Boabdil from a web page as a proof because you have called me liar, however it's sad to see how you paste a whole article because you are unable to respond (at least you could have had the fineness of indicating where you have taken out the text, as you have not done it then i will do it because I don't want that nobody thinks that you have written it :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tours , http://www.sispain.org/english/history/muslim.html)
I see that you have used many webs to document yourself, I guess that you wanted to make sure well the information, you didn't have it before because you are not more than an ignoramus.

For your misfortune and of your fellow men (Muslims) there will always be valiant men (in this case those that you called "spanish heroes") that plead for the freedom of the countries and that they don't allow that uncompromising nations as yours complete their totalitarian desires.

(Chuckles, Laughs)

Seems like this Man has consistently used http://thesaurus.reference.com/ or www.thesaurus.com lol.

Do you consider that I am satisfied of reading your so called literary translated English? Lol, your only building a 'Fool' of yourself on this forum by hiding the reality and exploiting the sites purpose. How about if I stated, "go learn more English," because that isn’t your English bud, not even my University English professor can speak that highly in terms. What a moron lol. You are indeed Barbaric. Unlike you, I have accused 'you,' not "Christians" as you have attacked "Muslims" several times which not beneficial nor needed. You accuse me of showing my love to Taric? (By the way look up the meaning of Affliction in the Dictionary fool, you don’t make sense) Are you insane? I live in a democratic country and I have every right to prove my allegiance and support of historical figures. I am sure that in your Barbaric Country, a Muslim would be beheaded to pray in a Mosque that was constructed during the Muslim rule in Spain 1100 years ago. I have every right to be devoted to these historical figures. I live in a free-religion democratic country. I comprise right to freedom of speech, expression and perception. I can display and pose my point of views freely without be condemned by barbaric anti-Semitic threats. The question arises is why does it 'itch' you for if I love these historical heroes? You condemning this as you have stated in your beginning statements proves that you are no better then a potential 'Nazi.' There are many people that have viewed this post, but out of all of that 'many' It would be a 'no-brainer' to expect 'one' who would turn out to be a anti-Semitic barbarian.

You’re accusing me of copying and pasting the "Truth?" Think of it this way, I have a life and I don’t have the time on my hands to develop a factual ‘essay’ and prove that you are totally flawed. I am a student and I study at a University. Many of your statements are 'less-factual' and more aggressive and contrary to anti-Semitism. If I had time, I would still not write a long essay under the due circumstances that I see no solution for this problem, whereas if a highly educated scholar challenged me, maybe I would attempt to write an essay against his views. But you on the other hand are a junkie, a failure and a criminal. Your point of view only defames your so called 'knowledge.' You have no knowledge due to the fact that 90% of your statements only accuse Muslims at a daily bases, speaking of accusation who do you think you are to stop me from showing my love to Muslim Historical Figures? Go back and rephrase your statements you spoiled dim-witted brat. Your points are as flawed as yourself. I may be afraid of exposing my identity but on the contrary, I am proud of my English and my ability to speak as it is my primary language. Boabdil’s corrupt statement is totally biased and flawed and will be changed in a week. I, unlike you don’t spend hours in front of a Thesaurus trying to find fancy words so they are more appealing to others. At least I am not the one using an highly advanced Thesaurus Program to interpret terms and display my so called "literacy." Good Game Spaniard. As for copying and pasting articles, I assure you I have properly credited them and do not worry for I will change that Wikipedia has published on their website, matter a fact I will contact them and seek authorization to change your so called biased implementations that can be inserted by any racist, anti-Semitic & prejudice person like yourself.

 

[Los Tirano]

Come on, you cant seriosuly claim he is the only racist and prejudiced person in this debate after you replied "If we were such cowards, then we would not have led the conquest and not spend 7 centuries ruling you pathetic Spaniards."

Ruling you pathetic Spaniard's? Explain that comment before you accuse him solely of bias.

 

[TheSkunkist]

Come on, you cant seriosuly claim he is the only racist and prejudiced person in this debate after you replied "If we were such cowards, then we would not have led the conquest and not spend 7 centuries ruling you pathetic Spaniards."

Ruling you pathetic Spaniard's? Explain that comment before you accuse him solely of bias.

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"I like to see how you begin your replica swearing. That gives me two statements: the first one is I hurt you when I answering your repugnant first post in which one you not only demostrate the affiliation that you have with Tarik and their retinue but rather you use your post to make fun adding a coarse comic."
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Above he himself claims that he has 'hurt' me and painfully ignited me. [ "..repugnant first post.." ]He himself proves that he has negatively replied to my statements and his objective was to harm me because I described love to Tariq. He also refers to my "original" first post that he retaliated negatively upon. Then he talks about a Comic that I could have easily taken down if it was offensive to him.. Looks like he chose the rocky path to confront me. You can not ignore the Truth, the Truth speaks from your own mouth. By the way, Boabib's fairy tale had only one objective, to degrade Muslim History in Spain and to attack my beliefs in which I have every right to prove wrong and retaliate.

Reread my statements. I have not shown aggression to him 'first', I have every right to demonstrate, extend, my point of view and describe historical figures after all it is my thread and If you look it at a broader way there seems to be no reason to why he responded to my posts in the first place since they were not potential harassing posts. Provide me with one anti-semitic point of view that I had posted on my original post? Prove that. What was so 'crucial' and important for him to get involved in and respond to my threads? If you glance at my original threads I have not accused or harassed the Spanish people in any approach. The cartoon was a historical joke and I feel that it should have not hurt any Spanish person on this forum. If the cartoon was offensive then the victim could have confronted me and humanly ask me to pull it down which I would do so. He showed aggression on me first. I don’t see the motive behind why he replied to my thread in the first place, I was simply explaining a possible civilization that could be implemented in the future. He had no right to ‘butt-in’ and start potential inflammation amongst me and my beliefs under the circumstances that I did not mistreat his identity or his country. Read over the original reply he posted and then explain to me whether it was a requirement or just another call for an anti-Semitic reply.

I am done here.
Peace Out.

 

[Los Tirano]

I was surprised he acted the way he did initially. Clearly nationalistic, but since you both glorify the past and open old wounds, inevitably, you both engage in conflict. With an issue clearly so important to both of you it is inevitable insults will fly. If your fine in calling his people pathetic, and implying it is their place to be ruled, it is you thread to do so.

I have a suggestion for the civ though, if a Moroccan/Berber civ is created, Spain and the Berber civ should have a beginning penalty to diplomatic relations. If its a serious penalty, and the two share a border, the wars against eachother could be simulated.

Good luck getting it created.

 

[Caleb_kreegan]

(Chuckles, Laughs)

Seems like this Man has consistently used http://thesaurus.reference.com/ or www.thesaurus.com lol.

Do you consider that I am satisfied of reading your so called literary translated English? Lol, your only building a 'Fool' of yourself on this forum by hiding the reality and exploiting the sites purpose. How about if I stated, "go learn more English," because that isn’t your English bud, not even my University English professor can speak that highly in terms. What a moron lol. You are indeed Barbaric. Unlike you, I have accused 'you,' not "Christians" as you have attacked "Muslims" several times which not beneficial nor needed. You accuse me of showing my love to Taric? (By the way look up the meaning of Affliction in the Dictionary fool, you don’t make sense) Are you insane? I live in a democratic country and I have every right to prove my allegiance and support of historical figures. I am sure that in your Barbaric Country, a Muslim would be beheaded to pray in a Mosque that was constructed during the Muslim rule in Spain 1100 years ago. I have every right to be devoted to these historical figures. I live in a free-religion democratic country. I comprise right to freedom of speech, expression and perception. I can display and pose my point of views freely without be condemned by barbaric anti-Semitic threats. The question arises is why does it 'itch' you for if I love these historical heroes? You condemning this as you have stated in your beginning statements proves that you are no better then a potential 'Nazi.' There are many people that have viewed this post, but out of all of that 'many' It would be a 'no-brainer' to expect 'one' who would turn out to be a anti-Semitic barbarian.

You’re accusing me of copying and pasting the "Truth?" Think of it this way, I have a life and I don’t have the time on my hands to develop a factual ‘essay’ and prove that you are totally flawed. I am a student and I study at a University. Many of your statements are 'less-factual' and more aggressive and contrary to anti-Semitism. If I had time, I would still not write a long essay under the due circumstances that I see no solution for this problem, whereas if a highly educated scholar challenged me, maybe I would attempt to write an essay against his views. But you on the other hand are a junkie, a failure and a criminal. Your point of view only defames your so called 'knowledge.' You have no knowledge due to the fact that 90% of your statements only accuse Muslims at a daily bases, speaking of accusation who do you think you are to stop me from showing my love to Muslim Historical Figures? Go back and rephrase your statements you spoiled dim-witted brat. Your points are as flawed as yourself. I may be afraid of exposing my identity but on the contrary, I am proud of my English and my ability to speak as it is my primary language. Boabdil’s corrupt statement is totally biased and flawed and will be changed in a week. I, unlike you don’t spend hours in front of a Thesaurus trying to find fancy words so they are more appealing to others. At least I am not the one using an highly advanced Thesaurus Program to interpret terms and display my so called "literacy." Good Game Spaniard. As for copying and pasting articles, I assure you I have properly credited them and do not worry for I will change that Wikipedia has published on their website, matter a fact I will contact them and seek authorization to change your so called biased implementations that can be inserted by any racist, anti-Semitic & prejudice person like yourself.

I'm going to answer point for point :
Oh Forgive me please deity of the english language, please be benevolent with me for my ignorance because English is not my primary language.If i can express me to 100% i would broke your face time ago. However i didnt have a clue about that web you post, i think i can manage myself in english, at least enough to be able to tell you this thing : you are not better than me because you speak english better, and your tactic of deviating the conversation topic is lamentable, you limit yourself to criticize my English instead of rebutting what I tell you in my post. But this is good to make me an idea about the kind of person you are : an ignorant with a very high ego.

I love the way you contradict yourself. First you say that i live in a barbaric country, next when someone recriminates your racism you say "ey, i was joking, it was not my intention to criticize these barbarian.. err people..". You allege my humanity saying "if he has requested it humanly I would have removed the cartoon" but what kind of humanity have a person that only insults and criticize others because they cant express themselves in his own language? Seeing your humanity i'm pretty sure that you would have removed it.
By the way, why do you say that I am a nationalist? In my first post I put the truth that you ignore, you have never heard spoke about the battle of covadonga, the same about the cid, Don Pelayo, so should I consider you an eminence in History? hahaha poor man you are in your first year of History and you think you are good but you don't know how to distinguish the ass from your face and your pretend to give me history lessons? To know history you have to know about both factions
Will you use your authority in history to change Boabdil's mother sentence in wikipedia? I guess you can change the past, can't you deity? I hope you will try to change the article so that people that wrote it can laugh at you. You said that "you have a life and you dont have time to make an essay" however you have time to waste in make a civilization that didn't have any repercussion in the history, for example. The fact that you read some articles and paste them in a forum only demonstrates your ignorance. It doesn't became you in a History expert, only makes you fall in ridiculous.
I know you live in a democratic country, you don't have to demonstrate it to me. The Americans established the democracy few years ago in your country Afghanistan, didn't they? so you haven't lost the time and you have learned English, oh i forgot it, you are a deity and Muhammad probably helps you. On the other hand the time I waste "using" a translator you should use in learn history. I know that it should be hard because imam only allows you to learn of the Koran. (hey, it also bothers me to read your bullhorsehockeys)
Why do you call me anti-semitic? I don't have anything against the Jews (I think you don't know what the term means) not like you first year taliban student. So am I a "potential Nazi"? I think you are a potential palestinian kamikazee or maybe a potential member of al-Fatah or al-Quaeda.
On the other hand you made me laugh with your "There are many people that have viewed this post", you consider yourself so important...I only see 1 person who has written here, apart of us. Do you suffer paranoia or something? have you taken the medication today?
In my first post i put the truth that you ignore, i talked about the Cantabrian resistance (that you ignore) and how the spaniards expelled the Muslims that you so much praise. Then I put the pics of "my heroes" but apparently i don't have this right. But you yes, because you can put your pejorative cartoon "to make fun". In my case i am a nationalist to do that. Well is normal that you think this way, it's not your fault that you think that your faith and your thoughts are the absolute true and the unique ones. It's what they have inculcated you since you was a child.
Good Game little taliban armored student of first year of Arabic History. I have an image of you and it's this :

 

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