Tony.Uk
TonyUK
After 6 months of trying at last ended my frustration. Playing Vanilla, Frederick on normal earth type map.
This might be of interest to those who have difficulty breaking through this barrier. Yes, I used a totally different approach. With Warlord it is possible to win without going to war, with 5 cities but at Noble level this is rarely possible.Often I get to 6 cities not all in favourable positions, start off leading the bunch and then slip back by early middle ages.
First, I manage my own cities entirely without the governor, keep city growth lowto medium. This means not building too many farms too early and granaries at the start. Just the minimum, otherwise you always get unhappy citizens until monarchy. Over expansion is just not about the number of cities but overpoulation inside your cities, so grow at a slower more manageable pace internally and externally.
Second be more aggressive. I took out neighbouring France with Axemen/Swordsmen as early as possible before catapults and got 4 extra cities that would eventually grow and boost my points tally.Choice of city placement to gain early copper/iron is important in this respect.
Build sufficient armies on the frontiers, as someone will always attack you there. Do this in production city and then move the units to frontier cities that may take longer to build these.
I was attacked by Saladin, lost one city but eventually took 4 of his, so ended up with 12 cities and around 3450 points.
Obviously these tactics may not work all the time, but you cant just sit around within your initial borders. Mind you I cannot win at noble with BTS as this is more difficult as more civilizations and agressive A1. Its what you do in the first 100 turns that matters. It becomes more and more difficult to attack after the middle ages, so best to achieve this earlier rather than later.
I could possibly do better, improve specialization, but is a question of how much time you can devote to this task. Obviously I have generalised here but I hope it helps those who find this game equivalent to being a high handicap golfer - each time you play rubbish, but keep coming back for more!
This might be of interest to those who have difficulty breaking through this barrier. Yes, I used a totally different approach. With Warlord it is possible to win without going to war, with 5 cities but at Noble level this is rarely possible.Often I get to 6 cities not all in favourable positions, start off leading the bunch and then slip back by early middle ages.
First, I manage my own cities entirely without the governor, keep city growth lowto medium. This means not building too many farms too early and granaries at the start. Just the minimum, otherwise you always get unhappy citizens until monarchy. Over expansion is just not about the number of cities but overpoulation inside your cities, so grow at a slower more manageable pace internally and externally.
Second be more aggressive. I took out neighbouring France with Axemen/Swordsmen as early as possible before catapults and got 4 extra cities that would eventually grow and boost my points tally.Choice of city placement to gain early copper/iron is important in this respect.
Build sufficient armies on the frontiers, as someone will always attack you there. Do this in production city and then move the units to frontier cities that may take longer to build these.
I was attacked by Saladin, lost one city but eventually took 4 of his, so ended up with 12 cities and around 3450 points.
Obviously these tactics may not work all the time, but you cant just sit around within your initial borders. Mind you I cannot win at noble with BTS as this is more difficult as more civilizations and agressive A1. Its what you do in the first 100 turns that matters. It becomes more and more difficult to attack after the middle ages, so best to achieve this earlier rather than later.
I could possibly do better, improve specialization, but is a question of how much time you can devote to this task. Obviously I have generalised here but I hope it helps those who find this game equivalent to being a high handicap golfer - each time you play rubbish, but keep coming back for more!
) , I can understand what you would have been going through.
