Mysterious "bonus in friendly lands"??

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Scars n Stripes

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I'm currently waging war against Harun Rashad in a not so friendly game of domination on emperor level.

What's driving me insane is this extremely annoying (maybe I should rephrase to "challenging" instead!) is that he has this ridiculous %58 bonus in friendly lands combat bonus regardless of where his troops are! Even when we go back and forth to my territory or his, the stupid bonus he gets is ALWAYS there!! Now I think I may have noticed once in a neutral tile that the bonus was missing but it seems like every time I hover my pointer over his troops there it is in the bonus lists glaring defiantly at me in red with the hefty %58 combat penalty I get dealt every time! I notice that in his promotion icons, there are always 4 little gold triangles, so I am sure it is telling me something but I can't seem to find a wonder or anything that gives this bonus in ENEMY territory!!

What gives?! You can imagine how annoying it is for me to have to shell his infantry with 3 separate artillery units just to kill 1! Hey, this is most definitely a great challenge and it is preventing me from just dancing in and taking some of his lands, but maybe it would be easier to stomach if I knew why!

Whats funny though is it really has made me take notice of some of the atrocious decisions the AI makes in this game I never really picked up on before stepping up to this level. Hey, not saying it is "easy" per se - I mean theres no denying that you hand a unit over to the AI on a silver platter and he will definitely make you sorry you did that dumb move!

I am learning lots since I have found the boards here and u guys are a great help for me to up my game some. This game has so many levels you'd never think of without folks like you all to explain! Should I just suck it up and realize that hey, it's a harder skill level- quit whining!? :)
 
58% is a lot. What game stage is it? Theoretically he could have Himeji Castle and the policy under order that gives you +25% more, but that is only 40% in friendly lands. Not sure where he could get that last 18 from.
 
fmlizard2 said:
58% is a lot. What game stage is it? Theoretically he could have Himeji Castle and the policy under order that gives you +25% more, but that is only 40% in friendly lands. Not sure where he could get that last 18 from.
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We are in the industrial era. Actually, yes I am almost certain that he has heimji built - I know one of the 3 AI left built it and he would have been the only one powerful enough.

I agree! God knows how it's up as high as %58 and for f sakes HOW does he maintain it even in MY tiles!! Isn't H Castle for "friendly" lands?!

What's odd is that this seems to be a "blanket" bonus that ALL his units are enjoying.. Again, like I said it seems to be something to do with those 4 gold delta triangles in his unit promotions header per unit that's trying to tell me something but I honestly don't know.

It's a really oddball number to have that %18 leftover too if what lizard proposed is true too, just like he says.

I guess a huge question I just want answered is how can he have this bonus in MY lands!? Anyone think it's a glitch?
 
It is so simple. He has taken Autocracy & has got the policy which gives 33% bonus for x turns. He also has Hmeji Castle which gives 25% bonus in your territory. 25% + 33% = 58%
 
Babri said:
It is so simple. He has taken Autocracy & has got the policy which gives 33% bonus for x turns. He also has Hmeji Castle which gives 25% bonus in your territory. 25% + 33% = 58%
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Himeji is 15% as of the current patch, and I thought the Autocracy bonus was a general bonus, not just friendly lands. And, it could not stack with the Order bonus. Are you on the latest patch, OP?
 
Isn't autocracy a maintenance bonus? (Could be wrong though)
Oh, the autocracy finisher. That's 20% extra.

So with Himeji that would be 35%. Still missing 23%. Could be nationalism? +25% in friendly.

So:
Himeji: +15%
Nationalism: +25%
Autocracy finisher: +20% for 30 turns

60%. It's close :p

Altough something with +33% would make sense, I can't find anything that gives that bonus? (But I might not be looking proper?)
 
fmlizard2 said:
Problem is, Nationalism (Order Tree) and Autocracy Finisher are mutually exclusive.
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A very good point :lol:

The only thing I can think of is that the topicstarter is playing a very, very old version of Civ5? (Maybe vanilla)
When Himeji used to be +25% and Total War was +33% or something? (If my memory serves me well).

Edit:
Or was it Oligarchy even (instead of Total War)? Can't remember.

Edit2:
Yeah, I think it used to be Oligarchy that gave +33% in friendly. Plus Himeji gave +25%. Equals the 58%.

I'd recommend the topic starter to connect his Steam and update his game, I think he has a *very* old version.
It'll make his game a lot better if he updates :)

Edit3:
There were even topics on Civfanatics that the combo Himeji+Oligarchy was overpowered :p
Is Oligarchy + Himeji Castle OP ? (from Babri, poster number 6 in this topic :) )
 
fmlizard2 said:
Himeji is 15% as of the current patch, and I thought the Autocracy bonus was a general bonus, not just friendly lands. And, it could not stack with the Order bonus. Are you on the latest patch, OP?
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Yeah I forgot that Hmeji was changed to 15%. :blush:
anandus said:
There were even topics on Civfanatics that the combo Himeji+Oligarchy was overpowered :p
Is Oligarchy + Himeji Castle OP ? (from Babri, poster number 6 in this topic :) )
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Lol. I forgot about my old post.
 
You guys are awesome.. Look at all the answers so fast!

To confirm: You're all right! I am indeed running the original vanilla version popped out of the DVD case.

But this is a really cool discussion now to see the opportunities to take the offense and use some really crippling modifiers against your opponent.

Would you believe that this ends up in a dang cavalry unit on his side completely wiping out a fully healed infantry unit of mine!? Talk about wanting to rage quit! The only thing that keeps me going now is that I am about 5 turns away from acquiring radar tech. and I am USA so that means he's about to see a map full of bombers!

Can I expect this bonus of his to wear off though as some of u guys indicated?
 
No, it won't wear off.
But if he gets the Total War social Policy, then he gets +33% for 20 turns, so that'd be +91% strenght ;)

But to be honest: Put Steam in online, and you'll see it'll download all the patches.
It'll make the game A LOT better, fix a lot of bugs, crashes and imbalances and make the game more enjoyable overall!
I can really recommend it, playing vanilla is just plain stupid.

(Or, of course, if you're playing a pirated game: Just buy it if you like the game :) )
 
Ok guys! I will update! I just bought an unused copy of the game off eBay recently but havent been on steam in ages. I only realized after browsing the boards here and just now joining in the past few days that there really is updates.

Thanks to all!
 
Scars n Stripes said:
Ok guys! I will update! I just bought an unused copy of the game off eBay recently but havent been on steam in ages. I only realized after browsing the boards here and just now joining in the past few days that there really is updates.
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