New challenge ** spoiler **

[MPF]

For those looking for a challenge. I played an OCC on the GOTM IX map (yes the deity game on a pangea map) to see if it was possible.

I can tell you I had to restart a lot of times and reloaded a few times as well but eventualy got it right. IT CAN BE DONE. Now here is the challenge, I had to restart and reload.

Could a OCC game be played on such a map and level wthout restarting over or reloading?

Anyone up for the challenge because I tried but have to admit its nearly impossible. I'm giving you a screen shoot of the cultural achievements to guide your path. I started of with the piramids to trigger the GA which I needed to build the collossus. Then put all the effort in researching and building for the great library.

I tried different aproaches but this was the only succesfull one. Didn't make contact with 2e civ untill somewhere around 350 AD but that doesn't matter as long as education is not researched all is well. With lots of hard labour ended up with a cultural win in 2003 AD with a stagering 452 points.

Let me now if you managed to get this one right and please tell me about it especially the early years, they seem crucial. I had to micromanage a lot make a chance at all.

Good Luck, MPF

 

[MPF]

When finishing the OCC game I got this screen which I hadn't seen before. Dont know what triggers it but looks great. Is this a new screen or just one of the many hidden in the game?

 

[Bamspeedy]

If you are referring to the background and the kisses on Cleo, you get that on all cultural victories. Different victories give different screens (you can look at them in the Arts/VictoryScreens folder). As far as why the other civs except the Aztecs got a picture, I don't know. I've had that happen before, but not as many civs missing.

Edit: For a real challenge I was tempted to do a OCC CONQUEST on the regent game, but decided not to. Because it was a large map made me feel it would be too hard. Had it been on a smaller map or warlord level I would have given it a try.

 

[Cruise]

omg where did you get the different faces?

I want them

 

[Serg]

Nice advisors.

 

[Frankenchrist]

well, i just tried it but someone got the great library in 130 BC and i figure that to be necassary. maybe i'll give it 1 more shot and hope the great library last a little longer

 

[Bamspeedy]

EEK, the female advisors are available in the graphics modpack forum.

 

[Taé Shala]

Yep,

They are a coproduction between Futumch an me.

You can find them here: Female Advisors

 

[Cartouche Bee]

I thought it was strange that in an OCC that a civ's culture would be greater than that of the city, so I tried this out. Sure enough I went to war with the Japanese, won a city (didn't raze to save some rep.) and immediately abandoned the city and my culture went up 29 points. I think it must be a minor bug.

CB

 

[MPF]

Originally posted by Cartouche Bee
I thought it was strange that in an OCC that a civ's culture would be greater than that of the city, so I tried this out. Sure enough I went to war with the Japanese, won a city (didn't raze to save some rep.) and immediately abandoned the city and my culture went up 29 points. I think it must be a minor bug.

CB

Strange huh, stranger even if I tell you that I didn't have one city culture flip over to me even though I was generating massive culture on their borders. Could some civ be less receptive to culture flips then others?

As to the difference in culture scoring, I checked some saves and this is what I found:

culture culture
Date city-score total-score
3700 BC 5 5
1500BC 118 118
350BC 730 730
10AD 1086 1086
350AD 1540 1540
580AD 2080 2109 !!
650AD 2283 2312 !!

I could not find any explanation but it seems to be a bug. There is no reason to be a difference when playing a OCC game.

I hope someone still takes on the challenge and play the OCC on the GOTM IX map. Would like to see what their score does and if they can figure out a better starting sequence.

Greetings, MPF

 

[Ribannah]

It's a bug. On the turn you select a new government type, your civ gets culture points but your city doesn't.

 

[Cartouche Bee]

Ribannah seems to be correct, I've tried this again and on the change of government my civ culture went up but not the city. [Must have been changing governments when I took and then abandoned the city in my last test.]

MFP, you must have been able to trigger your Great Library not long after you built it, I had mine built in 50AD but I have not been able to get contact with the other civs. I seem to only have three choices now in 1335 AD.

Trigger it so I have a shot at Shakespeare's [I have a Great Leader but that is my main problem now cause the Japanese are mad at me for making a bad trade offer, by mistake, so they attacked me about 11 turns later, I got a Great Leader but they will probably get some major revenge later.]

or

Trigger it much later like around Theory of Evolution.

or

My real far out shot would be to trigger it in the modern age and build the UN. It's the Japanese that broke Peace and a Trade Deal.

 

[Mathias]

After playing GOTM 10 as an OCC, I thought about trying this one, but didn't want to jump from regent to emperor. I failed in a few attempts at monarch, so I didn't bother with the emperor game. That is, until yesterday. I played for about 8 hours, and saved the game at 1500 AD. The turns were going very slow for some reason.

The early years: I studied Bronze Working so I could build the Colossus, then headed straight for Literature. Huts provide me with Pottery, Warrior Code, and... Mysticism! After building the Colossus, I built a few archers and spearmen to take care of the barbs, then built the Oracle. A few more archers and spearmen, then I started the Pyramids, but really didn't have a chance there. I had several units strategically placed where I could see almost then entire landmass. All that remained were a few tiles in the southern grasslands. I had the barbarians just where I wanted them... no hoards of horsemen in this game.

Japan didn't show up until 500 AD. By that time, I had built the Great Library and researched Monarchy. I was studying Map Making 'cause I didn't have anything else to do. Japan built one city on my continent in 510 AD, then decided to declare war in 670 AD. I razed their city for 2 workers, and used them for colonies on the two extra furs. A handful of swordsmen smashed all of the units that landed near Thebes. They set a warrior and settler down next to my gems... how nice. My spearman killed his warrior, and I suddenly had to more sources of gems.

In the meantime, I had two galleys out mapping the coastlines of the other islands and continents. The Americans had built the Lighthouse, and our galleys crossed paths in 900 AD. The Great Library brought be up to Feudalism. I traded contact with Japan for contact with the next civ until I knew everybody and had world maps. The Great Library then brought me up to date with Invention, Chivalry, and Education. Sigh. Persia had Gunpowder, the Aztecs were, as usual, far behind, and everybody else was even on tech.

The war with Japan was never going to end. I was a Republic, and my citizens were begining to agree that this was just plain annoying. Around 1280 I figured out the well known concept of Astronomy. I had decided to call for peace at this point, I bought Gunpowder for 250 gold during peace negotiations, and headed full speed to Printing Press, which had yet to be discovered by anyone.

I completed research of Printing Press, but now everyone else (except the Aztecs, of course) had it already. Nobody had Democracy, and it would take me 29 turns to get it. I watched the turns closely, and when it droped from 21 to 17, I bought Democracy from the Persians for 80 gpt. I sold Democracy for Chemistry and Metallurgy. Then for Physics. Then for Theory of Gravity. I could have got Magnetism too, but opted for cash instead. Now, at max science (90%, gotta keep my people happy) it was only 23 turns to Free Artistry with a loss of only 22 gpt. I had enough in treasury to cover that and a couple of extortion threats.

The Persians, of course, beat me to it by a few turns. I was able to prebuild during the last 3 turns, so they only had a one turn lead on Shakespeare's Theatre. I had my hopes, but they had railroads. On the next turn, I had enough gold to investigate their city, and found that they would complete the Theatre 6 turns before I could

I built my Courthouse and set production to wealth. I bought Magnetism from the Americans, then learned that Germany didn't have Steam Power. Japan, however, did. Against better judgement, I traded my iron for Steam Power, then Steam Power for Medicine. I could not afford Electricity... yet. The year is 1480 AD. I set a single scientist to study Sanitation while I save my gold to buy electricity in a race for Scientific Method and, you guessed it, Theory of Evolution. I have no idea if I will even have a chance, but wouldn't it be nice!

The screenshot is 1500 AD. I would have expected Japan to colonize the entire continent by this time, but 600 years of pointless war kept their settlers away.

 

[Mathias]

Did I mention that I am selling all of my luxuries for over 30 gpt each?

Persia, 70 gpt for furs & gems.
America, 66 gpt for furs & gems.
Japan, 60 gpt for furs & gems.

 

[MPF]

Way to go Mathias, hope you make it. The Japanese are probally give you a hard time. They always do once you have been at war with them. Great, those colonies.

Great trading too. Had some bad luck after I got all the techs from the great library. Most of the civilisations where financialy depleted and would not trade for tech ("isn't possible" and so on). Couldn't really get anything done and finally got hopelesly behind. Ended up paying 3K for hospital and so on. They just wouldn't trade for gpt (only cash which they didn't have). Must be doing something wrong when trading because it rarely pays up.

A well, keep me posted, MPF

 

[MPF]

Originally posted by Cartouche Bee
Ribannah seems to be correct, I've tried this again and on the change of government my civ culture went up but not the city. [Must have been changing governments when I took and then abandoned the city in my last test.]

MFP, you must have been able to trigger your Great Library not long after you built it, I had mine built in 50AD but I have not been able to get contact with the other civs. I seem to only have three choices now in 1335 AD.

Wow how did you get to litracy so fast, it took me some while and surely not anywhere near youre date. Hence my finish of GL in 400 AD. How do you guy's manage to research so fast?

I was researching map making when the GL finished. Had a bit of luck as well. Just started building my first ship when the germans dicided to put an city on my island
Traded tech and eventually got communications to all other civs. I am not sure but could it be possible that bumping into another civ increases if you have researched map making. Or am I just being paranoid?

By the way its MPF

 

[Mathias]

Well, I really didn't have a shot at TOE. No big surprise there, but the worst part is that it was built just 4 turns before I got sanitation, just 4 turns before I could have sold a first civ tech. Of course, Persia had to take sanitation AND sell it to the japanese. Mr. Lincoln didn't think my new tech was so great when I offered it to him.

I played until 1750 AD, then figured out my cultural victory would be in the year 2083. Oops. Not getting any midieval wonders really hurt. And not being able to build my colosseum and cathedral until 1000 AD didn't help. (No 1000 year bonus)

I was too far behind in tech to consider diplomatic victory an option, but I played until 1850 anyway. Persia had just started building the UN, and would complete it by 1870. I was tired, and the game was a loss, so I called it quits.

My Wonders of Thebes:
Colossus, 1790 BC
Oracle, 1075 BC
Great Library, 90 BC

How did I get the GL so early? I built the Colossus first, and bee-lined to literature at 100% science. Barbarians kept my treasury up. I went under 10 gold only once, but didn't have to cut back on science.

 

[Cartouche Bee]

I researched Bronze working, Mysticism and then beelined to Literacy. Then beelined to Republic to increase commerce. Then to Construction for Coliseum.

Temple 3000BC
Colossus 2030BC
Oracle 1350BC
Library 350BC
Great Library 50AD
Coliseum 940AD
Cathedral 1325AD
JS Bach 1490AD
University 1540AD


I got stuck on the idea of holding out to run the tech tree with the Great Library to the Industrial Age. I think if I were to do this again I would have tried to activate the Great Library as early as possible to improve on the finish date.

Apollo predicts cultural victory 2041AD but I stopped at 1842AD (city size 23) cause it was too boring (need a faster computer). I had the Japanese Gracious at that point so I was no longer worried about a war.

2003AD was a "Great Win" congrats!