New Religion: Asatru

[JarlFrank]

How about adding in Asatru as another religion? I think the official Warlords scenario with the Vikings had it, so it shouldn't be that hard to implement.
Would be really great if you could include it in the next version.

And thanks a lot for making this mod, it is one of the best Civ4 mods out there and I don't play Civ4 without it anymore! Great work!

 

[Ironmann]

The vikings had Norse Mythology as a "religion" last I checked my own people's history.
Though never heard of Asatru but checked it up on the website of truth(wikipedia).

 

[konradcabral]

I never heard about Asatru before too, but Wiki says that it is a new religious movement, started in Island in sixties. If you're talking about this movement, I disagree about its inclusion. If you're talking about Thor, Odin, Loki and the Nordic Mythology, I agree. But I think we should think more deeply in adding new religions, and if NM would be the first option.

 

[JarlFrank]

I never heard about Asatru before too, but Wiki says that it is a new religious movement, started in Island in sixties. If you're talking about this movement, I disagree about its inclusion. If you're talking about Thor, Odin, Loki and the Nordic Mythology, I agree. But I think we should think more deeply in adding new religions, and if NM would be the first option.

Yeah, I mean Norse mythology by that. I think it was included in the official Viking scenario of Warlords and called Asatru there, and since we got Greek, Egyptian and Native American Paganism, Norse Paganism would surly fit in there, too.

 

[konradcabral]

Yeah, I mean Norse mythology by that. I think it was included in the official Viking scenario of Warlords and called Asatru there, and since we got Greek, Egyptian and Native American Paganism, Norse Paganism would surly fit in there, too.

I got it. If Zap decide to put more religions, I would also like to discuss the presence of Protestantism and some african religions, like "Candomblé" and "Umbanda", which has great influence in my country's (Brazil) imaginarium till these days.

 

[c0d5579]

I got it. If Zap decide to put more religions, I would also like to discuss the presence of Protestantism and some african religions, like "Candomblé" and "Umbanda", which has great influence in my country's (Brazil) imaginarium till these days.

Strongly recommend against Protestantism as a separate religion - it opens up a can of worms, because there are more Orthodox Christians worldwide than Protestants, and if you split Christianity then it also leads to things like having Shi'ite and Sunni Islam, and Mahayana and Hinayana Buddhism...

 

[CMKMStephens]

Strongly recommend against Protestantism as a separate religion - it opens up a can of worms, because there are more Orthodox Christians worldwide than Protestants, and if you split Christianity then it also leads to things like having Shi'ite and Sunni Islam, and Mahayana and Hinayana Buddhism...

Now, if some mechanic could be coded as follows:

You have a religion, though you didn't found it
You get a great priest
You can build with that great priest a sort of holy building
Your 'we care for brothers of the faith' relations bonus goes down

 

[c0d5579]

The ideal solution would be the Rapture mod, but RoM is already pretty resource-intensive. Though if I were to suggest religions, I would include both Celtic druidism (religious buildings give health bonus, holy building can consume population for production, even if appropriate civics aren't enabled) and Mithraism (religious buildings grant experience bonus, holy building grants free promotion), in addition to Asatru (for lack of a better word) (religious buildings give gold bonus, holy building gives bonus merchants or experience) and something African (not an expert there). All of the ways of abstracting out "local pantheism" as a religion every society can invent come up zero in my head, unless you just eliminate the shrine building.

So - religion issues that need resolved:
* Suggestions for new religions (see above)
* Schismatic mechanic (Orthodox vs Catholic vs Protestant, Sunni vs Shi'a, etc)
* (Personal issue) General compatibility of polytheistic religions with each other vs general incompatibility of monotheistic religions with each other AND polytheistic religions

 

[sensimilla]

"something african" dude? are you kidding me? african-american religions are strongly present in all of Latin America, and even in U.S.
Santeria, Voodoo, Umbanda, Candomble, etc are all very similar african-american religions that are present in every, or almost all latin american societies. from Cuba to Brazil.
The Fon, Yorubá and Congo mithologies are really important to caribbean, south, central american and african societies and still is followed by more than 100 million (according to Adherents.com) people which pretty much makes it a large religion
now say who the follows 'celtic mythology'? historically it might have been slightly important but being choosen as a religion to be created for a game over more important religions is BS...
about spliting christianism... i think its a good idea. first of all, the protestant christian cults caused wars and conflicts thruout europe since the 16th century and would fit perfectly in game. but surely you would have to add orthodox christianity too.
and btw i dont think religions should give bonuses like those...

 

[Dancing Hoskuld]

Haven't any of you guys tried AAranda's religion mod for RoM it adds a bunch of religions including Asatu and Voodoo.

 

[TechXLtd]

The vikings had Norse Mythology as a "religion" last I checked my own people's history.
Though never heard of Asatru but checked it up on the website of truth(wikipedia).

A bit off topic, but you have to be careful of certain things you read on wikipedia. I've had to constantly cross-verify information on certain pieces of information on wikipedia due to some of the inaccuracies and biased views of the people who edit the information. While I can say that much of the information on wikipedia is true, much of the stuff under certain religion sections and other parts are constantly under observation because of the some of the idiots that want to force their views on others instead of putting down helpful, factual, or historical information. To site a reference, Stephen Colbert made a comment about pepsi deleting some of their information about the 'long term health effects' of their product: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_in_culture. I remember while I was in the university, they did not accept wikipedia as a reference due to many inaccuracies in certain sections, which ones they didn't like I couldn't tell you.

 

[civ_king]

peoples, if Protestantism does get included it would just be dum (yes, it is that dumb) to have a share the same faith type bonus, also Protestants should have major anti-judaism things because Martin Luther HATED Jews

 

[Crusis]

The catholics would have to get the same negs, then, because of this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Spain

I know wikipedia isn't a professionally accepted source for citing history, but this particular history is correct. The catholics in Spain were so awful to the Jews that they actually welcomed the invasion of the Moors. Who thought Jews would look forward to the arrival of the Muslims, eh?

You simply can't model in all the various hate between religion issues other than what Civ already has: "We're upset you've fallen under the sway of a heathen religion."

 

[civ_king]

what about the part on Protestants hating Catholics, written in Blood in both the US and my Family History, also in France too (that's where my family part happened)

 

[Dancing Hoskuld]

I am testing three of ther religions from "AAranda's Religion mods". I have uploaded the Andean one see last post in AAranda's modcomps for RoM 2.7. Or it was the last post

I am pretty sure I have Asatru and Druid working but I am having trouble with Tengri, the pseudo religion for the Asian steppes. The missionary wants to do everything from start a golden age to add 100,000 xp to a unit. Probably typical for a mongol horde I suppose

 

[civ_king]

I am testing three of ther religions from "AAranda's Religion mods". I have uploaded the Andean one see last post in AAranda's modcomps for RoM 2.7. Or it was the last post

I am pretty sure I have Asatru and Druid working but I am having trouble with Tengri, the pseudo religion for the Asian steppes. The missionary wants to do everything from start a golden age to add 100,000 xp to a unit. Probably typical for a mongol horde I suppose

100,000xp+keshik=Genghis Khan bwahaha