Our territory is violated yet again

[blackheart]

The Romans and Iroquois are in our territory yet again. I propose that we politely ask them to leave then show them the way out with our pointy swords. I doubt the Iroquois would want another war after they failed to achieve anything in the last one. The Romans are another matter however.

 

[RegentMan]

Is there any chance that they are going to attack one of our cities?

 

[Civman2004]

Smite them all I say!!!

 

[Sir Donald III]

The Romans are sending in Setler Pairs (or in 1 instance, a Trio.) Where are they going to find land to settle? The Desert of the Foreign Legion?

As for the Iro Archer, let it move for a turn, then dictate your response from that...

 

[Cyc]

How about a couple of pics showing the intrusions?

 

[Provolution]

Now for Gods Sake, please settle Roman Iron NOW I am glad public polling has documented my support of Roman Iron on a continuous basis.

 

[Rik Meleet]

Don't demand them to leave yet. Asking is ok, but demanding isn't. It could lead to a war we aren't ready for yet. Let's not engage in war-like activities till we have the mighty Samurai.

 

[classical_hero]

We should politely ask anyone who moves into our land to leave. If they don't, then they will face the wrath of our mighty swordsmen.

 

[Chieftess]

1 - The Iroquois are headed out TOWARDS a Roman city.
2 - The Roman settlers seem to have been lost for ages. One tried settling near Babylonian land, but was apparently beaten to a city site (oil?).
3 - The AI never builds 2-3 tiles away from another city unless all other land is taken. They'll head into France before taking that iron.
4 - This is why we need a war.

At this rate, the AI is gonna meet the other civs on the other continent, and there's nothing we'll be able to do about it because we're too slow at making war!

You DO know that most good games already have 2-3 wars by now...

 

[Ginger_Ale]

...not most of my games CT when I win on Emperor usually all the time.

This situation we do need to go to war though, because the land surrounding us is getting filled up. If we still had some land, we would settle those lands, and then go to war. If we are going to war, I suggest we do it not, and as we fight, we upgrade swords to samurai as we are fighting. That way, we'll have a headstart when samurai come (even if it's just pillaged roads or disconnected resources for the AI).

 

[Chieftess]

...not most of my games CT when I win on Emperor usually all the time.

This situation we do need to go to war though, because the land surrounding us is getting filled up. If we still had some land, we would settle those lands, and then go to war. If we are going to war, I suggest we do it not, and as we fight, we upgrade swords to samurai as we are fighting. That way, we'll have a headstart when samurai come (even if it's just pillaged roads or disconnected resources for the AI).

But this is only monarch, which should theoretically be easier.

If our goal is to not have the AI discover the other continent, then we aren't doing a good job. The other continent may as well discover US. Babylon and Rome should've been gone already, with the Iroquois in tow. Had we built our cities better (not cities like the cow city, which missed being a PDX by 2-3 tiles!), and researched correctly (why research iron when you're not going for an early war? -- that's just a move!)... we'd be much better off. I guess this is gonna be an interesting diplo 'win' then.

 

[MOTH]

I'm all for war now. We've got a decent stack of swordsmen. We can save the Samurai war and the golden age for a future war when we've got more territory from the first couple of wars.

I want the entire south of this continent now! Start with Rome, then Babs, then Iroqouis. Only alter the order of this if another civ on our continent builds the great lighthouse, then go straight for that.

 

[Provolution]

As the Military Advisor, I would like to ask the Foreign Affairs Department if there is popular support for a War with Rome, I suggest to prepare this poll for either this or next turnchat, now that the Romans are about to get Iron. However, for me to support a war, I would like to see Roman Iron settled NOW!


Why you may ask as the economy of tiles is not optimal:

Closer travel distance in tiles, may produce units faster
Defensible city
Less corruption, closer to capital
Puts pompeii in easy reach and makes our Eastern probe more coherent
Gives us an eastern iron reserve we can use, if roads are cut
Gives us future iron to sell
Another far north city would be harder to defend against zulus
Please build Roman Iron, since it should be part of our defensible border

 

[Cyc]

Babylon and Rome should've been gone already, with the Iroquois in tow. Had we built our cities better (not cities like the cow city, which missed being a PDX by 2-3 tiles!), and researched correctly (why research iron when you're not going for an early war? I guess this is gonna be an interesting diplo 'win' then.

First off, CT. If you're talking about Babylon and Rome being gone, then the "cow city", as you like to call it, which has just recently been founded, would have nothing to do with our success. You just like to think it does. The poorly placed cities happened when we decided not to go with two healthy productive cities (our second and fourth, especially our second). That was our big let down. Secondly, we DID take too long in getting to Monarchy, but Iron wasn't the problem. Switching our priorities back and forth because of the poorly placed cities was. We had no goal.

But it doesn't really matter. We're in first place. Let's exercise our Government, not complain about how it could have been.

 

[Provolution]

I agree with Cyc here, in a democracy game, no one gets their absolute will. I had a plan for a defensible doctrine which woulfd prepare us for an early war with Rome.
If we had Horseport and Roman Iron up and running we may be prepared for war already.
All these longer arms into North and South just delays that war, since our supply lines as well as distant corruption makes it harder to control our empire. However, the good news is that we got early Iron so we could settle right from the outset, yet, some people has delayed Roman Iron by taking it as a given. It is not. Pompei may expand culturally any time, so I would like to get that city NOW, so we can prepare that war at our time and choosing. It is nothing but fatalism to take Roman Iron for granted.

Again, I agree with Cyc, early iron and monarchy was good choices, for an early map location on Iron as an advantage on regime change. Anarchy will capsize Rome, where we will be a strong monarchy. The trade with Babylon on Monarchy just proves my point, we get all these techs the pacifists yelled about in one go, even before we need the related buidings, we can make Hanging Gardens if we do it NOW, immediately before the trade, since then we got no monopoly on that wonder. Many people ignore this fact when they greedily jump over the Babylonian supertrade. I support the trade, but only when supported with building the HG.
When we got Roman Iron and Horseport up and running, I sense we may do away the Romans, we need to contain the Babylonians (cultural takeover) and mass on the Roman border, also with Roman Iron City. I hope people see this coherent strategy.

 

[blackheart]

Intruder Poll

Cassus Belli

 

[Civman2004]

Following on from Provo's comments, what are our chances of massing swordsmen on the Roman border(s) and hitting them as soon as they go into anarchy to change to Monarchy? I think we need a short sharp war now to prepare for a longer samurai war in a few more turnchats.

 

[Cyc]

Hey, how come we never got any pics?

 

[blackheart]

Hey, how come we never got any pics?

I forgot and by the time I could have done anything it was too late.