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Pamukkale, Street Carnival and Hippodrome?

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Does Pamukkale work with unique Entertainment Complex (Street Carnival and Hippodrome)?
 
Brixter said:
Does Pamukkale work with unique Entertainment Complex (Street Carnival and Hippodrome)?
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InsidiousMage said:
Not unless it explicitly says so. Unique districts don't necessarily have the same adjacency functions as their generic counterparts.
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Yes, these districts benefit from Pamukkale. Generally, anything referring to a district applies to any replacement unique district. I can't think of anything where this is not the case.

A good example is Mali. Note that Mali has the Suguba, but Mali's ability still refers to buying "Commercial Hub" buildings with Faith.
 
pokiehl said:
Yes, these districts benefit from Pamukkale. Generally, anything referring to a district applies to any replacement unique district. I can't think of anything where this is not the case.

A good example is Mali. Note that Mali has the Suguba, but Mali's ability still refers to buying "Commercial Hub" buildings with Faith.
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I know for a fact the Suguba (speaking of Mali) doesn't get the Harbor adjacency bonus and the Observatory and Oppidum don't the standard adjacency bonuses for their districts so its not universally true.
 
pokiehl said:
Generally, anything referring to a district applies to any replacement unique district. I can't think of anything where this is not the case.
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im pretty sure that pamukkale and great barrier reef both apply a major adjacency bonus to maya observatories but not korean seowons. but maybe thats just a unique trait of seowons?
InsidiousMage said:
I know for a fact the Suguba (speaking of Mali) doesn't get the Harbor adjacency bonus and the Observatory and Oppidum don't the standard adjacency bonuses for their districts so its not universally true.
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a difference there is that usually its the commercial hub that says theres a harbor adjacency bonus, the campus that says theres a geothermal vent/reef bonus, and the industrial zone that says theres a dam/aqueduct/canal bonus, whereas none of these say theres a pamukkale adjacency bonus in their own descriptions, rather it's in the pamukkale description. also the hansa restates in its own description it also gets the dam/canal/aqueduct bonuses, despite sharing that property with regular industrial zones nvm this was wrong, my bad
 
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just did a test, looks like hippodromes do NOT provide an additional amenity to pamukkale. notice i only have 1 amenity from natural wonders here, not 2 as i should have. and while i do have mods on, none of them affect pamukkale or hippodromes in any way aside from changing the hippodrome icon. will test with the street carnival in a bit, then also with a regular entertainment district as a control test
Spoiler hippodrome test :
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update: street carnival doesnt seem to apply either
Spoiler street carnival test :
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final update: and here's the control test, showing how it looks normally when an EC is adjacent to pamukkale, with 2 amenities from natural wonders.
Spoiler control test :
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something i think should also be mentioned, from the wiki:
Note that the [amenity] bonus is given to a city when it gains control one of the wonder's two tiles. This bonus is permanent, so losing control of the wonder tile will not remove the bonus amenities. With careful planning up to 5 nearby cities can get the amenity bonus by swapping control of the Pamukkale tiles. For receiving the extra amenity from an Entertainment Complex (also permanent) the city needs to control one of the wonder tiles when completing the district, otherwise the bonus will not be awarded.
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fy00sh said:
a difference there is that usually its the commercial hub that says theres a harbor adjacency bonus, the campus that says theres a geothermal vent/reef bonus, and the industrial zone that says theres a dam/aqueduct/canal bonus, whereas none of these say theres a pamukkale adjacency bonus in their own descriptions
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Actually, they do. Read the tooltip for a Theater Square, for instance, and you'll see +2 for Pamukkale. You can see this in the civilopedia, too.
 
InsidiousMage said:
I know for a fact the Suguba (speaking of Mali) doesn't get the Harbor adjacency bonus and the Observatory and Oppidum don't the standard adjacency bonuses for their districts so its not universally true.
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Right, those are true, but those are specific adjacencies for the districts. Those are obviously distinct.

I am referring to universal game mechanics, like say, the Jesuit Education belief. It's not limited to just Theater Squares and Campuses. They work for all of the unique replacements.
 
pokiehl said:
Right, those are true, but those are specific adjacencies for the districts. Those are obviously distinct.

I am referring to universal game mechanics, like say, the Jesuit Education belief. It's not limited to just Theater Squares and Campuses. They work for all of the unique replacements.
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That's not always been my experience though, see below for an example. Whether its a bug or something else, unique districts don't always work the same with all of the game's mechanics.

fy00sh said:
just did a test, looks like hippodromes do NOT provide an additional amenity to pamukkale. notice i only have 1 amenity from natural wonders here, not 2 as i should have. and while i do have mods on, none of them affect pamukkale or hippodromes in any way aside from changing the hippodrome icon. will test with the street carnival in a bit, then also with a regular entertainment district as a control test
Spoiler hippodrome test :

update: street carnival doesnt seem to apply either
Spoiler street carnival test :

final update: and here's the control test, showing how it looks normally when an EC is adjacent to pamukkale, with 2 amenities from natural wonders.
Spoiler control test :


something i think should also be mentioned, from the wiki:
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fy00sh said:
just did a test, looks like hippodromes do NOT provide an additional amenity to pamukkale. notice i only have 1 amenity from natural wonders here, not 2 as i should have. and while i do have mods on, none of them affect pamukkale or hippodromes in any way aside from changing the hippodrome icon. will test with the street carnival in a bit, then also with a regular entertainment district as a control test
Spoiler hippodrome test :

update: street carnival doesnt seem to apply either
Spoiler street carnival test :

final update: and here's the control test, showing how it looks normally when an EC is adjacent to pamukkale, with 2 amenities from natural wonders.
Spoiler control test :


something i think should also be mentioned, from the wiki:
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Thanks! I had the suspicion that unique districts don't work with Pamukkale since tile improvements also don't work with unique districts (except for Mahavihara).
 
Brixter said:
Does Pamukkale work with unique Entertainment Complex (Street Carnival and Hippodrome)?
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When in doubt you can open the game's Civilopedia and it will tell you exactly what adjacencies it gets or does not get.

Generally speaking Districts with specific adjacencies are explained in the actual description of the district's ability.

Pamukkale not providing amenities to Street Carnival and Hippodrome seems like an oversight, possibly because it was introduced in Gathering Storm (Brazil appears in Vanilla, Byzantium in NFP).

Or maybe the devs just decided those districts were strong enough.
 
Yes, Pamukkale has a positive impact on these areas. Any reference to a district generally refers to any substitute distinct district.
 
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Kwami said:
As demonstrate, neither of those statements is true.
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I've eaten crow on being incorrect at first about this specific thing with Pamukkale, but in general the game has few issues with having unique districts getting properties of the districts they replace.
 
pokiehl said:
I've eaten crow on being incorrect at first about this specific thing with Pamukkale, but in general the game has few issues with having unique districts getting properties of the districts they replace.
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There are many examples of this not being true, especially with regards to adjacency bonuses. I don't think it's a good "general" rule. Better to check the specific district in question.
 
Kwami said:
There are many examples of this not being true, especially with regards to adjacency bonuses. I don't think it's a good "general" rule. Better to check the specific district in question.
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I stated earlier that I don't consider adjacency bonuses to be part of this...those are quite often one of the most defining characteristics of unique districts and they are explicitly made clear to the player. But other, global stuff nearly always works fine. The Rationalism policy, for example, has no issue applying to the Seowon, Observatory, or any modded unique campus districts.
 
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