Question about playing as greeks on higher levels....

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Ok, I can pretty much win at will on regent vanilla civ3 with the greeks. I like the science and commercial traits. My usual strategy with them, is to turtle up early, build libraries and uni's like crazy, and get the great library. I do my best to stay out of early wars. I find the hoplites are ok at defending, but the offensive part of the war, is always so draining on my empire.

Usually, by the time that the industrial age rolls around, I'm pretty much way ahead, and its time for some war mongering for 1) eliminating my top competition, 2) resources, or 3) I just need more land. It seems its not a big deal by this point, as its just a matter of how long it will take for me to win, as opposed to "if" I'll win..

Having won on regent many times like this, I decided to move up to monarch. Plus, I went out and bought conquests. Playing my first conquests game, and first game ever on monarch, I've found that the ai can quickly outstrip me in the tech race (prolly due to the increased diff level), plus some other nasty surprises from c3c (ie, like less resources).

My question is, since it may just be easier as I've seen it stated on here, to just buy the techs, as opposed to researching them, doesn't that kind of negate the scientific trait all together? Aside from the extra tech at each age, is there really any other advantage to the sci trait at higher levels? It seems the prevailing wisdom here is to bag research at higher levels, and just buy the techs.

It might be better to quit with the greeks and try again with a militaristic/commercial civ. Because of the lack of resources in c3c, early wars are more likely, and can be justified easier than in vanilla civ3 , when everyone had a source of iron and horses and turtling/building was easier.
 
cant really help u entirely because i'm struggling on warlord :/ but the scientific trait isnt TOTALLY negated, theirs that free tech at each new era but it does kinda squash it...
 
Well, you get cheaper culture buildings... And you still have to do some research...

Also, do not underestimate the power of the Industrial (formerly known as the Nationalism) slingshot.

On Monarch you can still do most of the research.
 
Use the AI to finance your research. It's still pretty easy to out-research the AI on Monarch, if you're willing to trade away some of your techs for gold from the AI to further your efforts.

Make sure you get into Republic ASAP, using the Philosophy shot, if possible (e.g. research Writing first, then Code of Laws, then Philosophy and take Republic as your free tech). A bit of trading from that will get you sitting pretty with Ancient Age techs and then you can continue to turtle and dominate the tech race from a masterful government position.

Arathorn
 
On Monarch, and even Emperor, you can still do research. Just make sure that you're selling techs whenever the AI has something to pay, so that your research makes you some money. Plus, conquests has scientific leaders, and scientific civs have a better chance to get them.
 
greeks are perfect for deity, esp when there're a lot of mountains.

build nothing but hopelite (occasionally some settlers and workers). and fortiy them and declare war on AI. u will find they almost never attack your fortified hopelites. u can take advantage of this.
once AI does attack, they will lose very badly and very quickly they'll be willing to pay you a lot for peace. do this again and again till you can do your own research. but normally this won't come before the middle age.
 
right now i'm trying to step up to emperor-level. with the greeks. i'm having a hard time keeping up in research! i did't finish a game on this level yet, but this is pretty much how i try to play it:

- try and meet as much civ's early, so u can exchange science
- try and built the Great Library. while the science is free u can prepare ur civ for Republic (u'll need temples etc. to provide happiness)
- try and get bigger through the early stage of the game. this is not easy with the greek. tough to get a big army going.

after that it is still a mysterie to me . . . .
 
i surprised arathorn hasnt told anyone to read the wonder addiction article. 2 people basing their whole early gome on the great library....
 
t3h_m013 said:
i surprised arathorn hasnt told anyone to read the wonder addiction article. 2 people basing their whole early gome on the great library....

i'm not basing my game on it. i'm trying to get it.
bi the way: i started 5 games on emperor wit the Greeks this week and i didn't miss the Great Lib once . . . u got a jumpstart being the Greeks cause u have alphabet.
 
Nicci said:
i'm not basing my game on it. i'm trying to get it.
bi the way: i started 5 games on emperor wit the Greeks this week and i didn't miss the Great Lib once . . . u got a jumpstart being the Greeks cause u have alphabet.
But you severely cramp your expansion to get it sometimes, don't you?
 
Tomoyo said:
But you severely cramp your expansion to get it sometimes, don't you?

That depends..
If my capital isn't suited for a Settler Factory, I normally build a Wonder with it during the ancient age. If you've got other Settler Factories in your empires core, expansion wont suffer much at all.
 
Even if your capital is more suited for shields, those shields could be used to build units for the new cities, settlers, and other stuff.
 
Well, I guess I'll recommend some reading then: :)

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=78267
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=71238

are two articles you should read -- not just for Greece but for any civ. Ision has a LOT of good things to say...take his advice.

For a general game, I find flexibility the key. If you ALWAYS want the Great Library, you're not being flexible. If you ALWAYS try an archer rush or warrior->sword upgrade gambit, you're not in a good position if you start on an island or against the Greeks only.... There are lots of ALWAYS strategies that work very well sometimes. Avoiding ALWAYS strategies gives flexibility to meet the individual demands of each game.

Sheesh...let me get off my soapbox now.

Arathorn
 
Actually I already posted a link to Ision's Wonder Addiction Article. It was my :) in one of the short posts.
 
I didn't notice because I rarely will mouse-over a happy face. I had no idea it was a link....I thought you'd just forgotten to actually include the link. While I should've known better, I doubt I was the only one confused....

Arathorn
 
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