Question on liberating a country.

[Dokebi]

I'm playing domination victory right now. Russia ate England and I ate England's old capital city from Russia. It gave me a choice of if I want to liberate England...I searched around and found out country you liberate will always vote for you on UN, but since I'm playing domination victory only, does it make sense to liberate England? I searched and found out CS that you liberate doesn't become ally to you. I'm guessing same goes for the country you liberate? Also, does country you liberate back stab you in the later game? Can they declare war on you?

 

[eazyseeker]

Liberating a major Civ means nothing more than giving their cities back and they voting for you at the UN. They can still DoW and backstab you. They don't care.

Liberating a CS, however, will give a huge influence boost AND they will vote for you in the UN.

 

[Brichals]

If you liberate them they will not be necessarily grateful. Liberation is more useful if you can't afford the happiness to puppet. I don't think you get any benefit from liberating (except the UN vote).

 

[Dokebi]

Thanks for the quick reply guys. I wish they made liberating major Civ will automatically gives you certain amount of time being ally with them and perhaps some units from them as a gift...Then it's worth while to liberate them.

 

[Truthy]

It's not worth liberating them.

 

[TopGearFanatic]

I'll liberate to make the game more interesting, unless they deserve to remain dead.

 

[Brichals]

It's not worth liberating them.

It is if you want a diplo victory.

Also if you liberate a capital then gift back that Civs old cities then I believe they will like you. I guess it counts under trade positive diplo, and former cities carry a lot of weight I think. So you can get an ally through a liberation campaign. You can't expect to give back 1 crappy (twice pillaged) capital to a Civ and expect them to love you, they won't have anything to gift you anyway.

 

[insaneweasel]

Also if you liberate a capital then gift back that Civs old cities then I believe they will like you.

This isn't always the case. One game I liberated Elizabeth, AND a ton of her cities, sold them to her for a pittance (just for fun). She became guarded!

 

[Roxlimn]

For me, it'll depend on England's standing with Russia. If Russia took out England, it will usually be very bad, so I consider it worthwhile to liberate.

Why? Because when you liberate, you automatically get open borders, but Russia won't, and Russia won't necessarily be at war with the newly liberated England. That means you can fire at Russia's melee troops with ranged and siege weaponry with impunity from within English border, with no threat of melee attack.

Apart from that, you can just throw every trash city you conquer to England thereafter, reducing the need to suffer Raze unhappiness, and keeping your Civ going strong even while you wage a war of conquest.

 

[Dokebi]

Because when you liberate, you automatically get open borders, but Russia won't, and Russia won't necessarily be at war with the newly liberated England. That means you can fire at Russia's melee troops with ranged and siege weaponry with impunity from within English border, with no threat of melee attack.

Good point. I could make England as a shield in this case against the Russians.

By the way, once I liberate England, does England hate Russia or do they just become friendly status like nothing have happened?

 

[BobDole]

It is if you want a diplo victory.

Also if you liberate a capital then gift back that Civs old cities then I believe they will like you. I guess it counts under trade positive diplo, and former cities carry a lot of weight I think. So you can get an ally through a liberation campaign. You can't expect to give back 1 crappy (twice pillaged) capital to a Civ and expect them to love you, they won't have anything to gift you anyway.

Yeah, fine, I don't expect them to love me. But I DO expect them to not A) complain I'm settling cities too aggressively (makes no sense) and B) denounce me 1-2 turns after liberation. I'll give them a city or two back when they don't treat me like crap. Only liberate if you're incredibly desperate for U.N. votes. Otherwise, let them stay dead forever and ever. It's not worth the headache, because eventually you'll resort to wiping them out AGAIN yourself (diplo hit for everyone else) or bribing someone else to do it for you (can take way too long to do).

 

[KevinLancaster]

Good point. I could make England as a shield in this case against the Russians.

By the way, once I liberate England, does England hate Russia or do they just become friendly status like nothing have happened?

The liberated civ reverts to the mood it had with other civs before it got destroyed.

 

[Ranos]

Good point. I could make England as a shield in this case against the Russians.

By the way, once I liberate England, does England hate Russia or do they just become friendly status like nothing have happened?

If you are going for domination, you might want to keep the capital and liberate on of their other cities. Otherwise you'll just have to take London back later in the game.