Question regarding warmongering in BNW

[falcon7xx]

I just got the BNW upgrade today. I had a problem with a nearby city state that was taking valuable land. I decided to attack the City State and I got an extreme warmongering. The whole world has denouced me and I am trying to figure out how to get friendly with some people, so I have some diplomacy, but it looks impossible. Any suggestions or do I have to start a new game?

 

[PrimoXanthous]

I just got the BNW upgrade today. I had a problem with a nearby city state that was taking valuable land. I decided to attack the City State and I got an extreme warmongering. The whole world has denouced me and I am trying to figure out how to get friendly with some people, so I have some diplomacy, but it looks impossible. Any suggestions or do I have to start a new game?

no need to start a new game. do this.
player 1= you
player 2= target civ/ Neighbor civ
player 3= the other civ that will help you

Method 1
1. if you got a lot of gold, trade a DoW to player 3 to make war with player 2. Or wait player 3 to make war with player 2.
2. Make sure that player 3 could capture lots of player 2 Cities or better player 2's Capital. Make sure that you never make DoF with either of them or capture a city of player 2.
3. when player 2 is non-existent or at peace with player 3 make DoW on player 3. since player 3 got only a little army coz of the recent war with player 2 you got a big chance in this war.
4. recapture all those original cities of player 2 which been captured by player 3 recently, then don't annexed or puppet it. but instead Liberate it.
5.Now this would erase all your diplo penalties and you would be love by all, the great Hero, the Liberator. you might even suddenly have a request of DoF with somebody who denounce you earlier.


Method 2
1. If you are at war with player 2, make him give you his cities during peace agreements.
2. take those cities as your puppet.
3. trade those to player 3.
4. make war with player 3
5. recapture those cities you trade to player 3 recently
6. liberate all those Cities you recapture.
7. step 5 from method 1..

but if you are Khan and already capture half of the citystates in the game or even the Capital of every civ, then don't waste your time reading this.

Disclaimer: doesn't always work on higher levels, This works fine on emperor and below.

 

[reddishrecue]

^^ I agree with the disclaimer. Most attempts on emperor and below will most likely get you a victory.

 

[dopingman]

Rule of thumb: Don't bother with capturing CS, if you do so, prepare to go full warmonger. A CS is counted as a capitol for Warmonger Hate calculations and you also get the penalty for declaring war on someone. If you want to get rid of all that warmonger hate, elaborate measures must be taken, knightmare13 summed them up quite nicely. But if you can pull his stuff, you have enough power to just steamroll everyone which is usually better.

 

[PrimoXanthous]

If you're Spain Capturing CS is the best way to utilize your UA since most CS spawn right next to Natural Wonders.

 

[phillipwyllie]

You've committed the cardinal sin(for the AI) and that's capture a CS early on. My advice: is to ride it out and don't denounce back when you're denounced, and don't take any more cities whilst you have no allies. If you are DOWed only kill units. In the WC try and propose resolutions that are liked by the many(world fair, international games come to mind). Liberate cities that another major civ has captured, if possible.
Eventually the AI will forgive you, only if you don't do anything else they consider bad.

There are 2 other cardinal sins to watch out for and they are:
DOWing someone you have a DOF with, denouncing is fine as this will break the DOF.
When asked to move your troops you say OK but later DOW. This promise lasts 50 turns so it's best just DOW right there and then(unless you have no intention of DOWing that civ).