Quick poll: Proposed build queue changes for the Monday, Jan.7 turn chat!

[FionnMcCumhall]

Your taking "will of the citizenry" way out of context. Not only that but it seems that your more content to attacking people than proposeing a way to work with one another.

 

[eyrei]

Moderator Action: Enough! This is ridiculous and unproductive, and the next person who accuses, insults or attacks someone is getting a 3 day vacation. THIS WILL NOT CONTINUE! You will also get a 3 day vacation for commenting on this warning, so don't. This is not aimed at any one person, but at everyone who has been doing this, and you know who you are.


Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889

 

[Chieftess]

Originally posted by donsig


Where are the polls Cheiftess? Please give me some links because I've missed them all!

Antics? You call pointing out ignored polls antics?

It is clear that there is a strong faction for peace and a strong faction for war. What we should do is stop bickering and go our seperate ways. Those who want peace should play their demo game and those who want war should play their demo game. When it's all over the two sides can compare notes to see if either actually won the game.

I meant discussions...

 

[Chieftess]

BTW, I think we should take a page (or quote) out of DG1, Term 3, pre-PI#6: "Let's put this thing down, and back away... Slowly...".

I really think this thread should be closed now...

 

[GenMarshall]

I agree, lets close this thread before the whole thing get out of control . I would like to recomend that the juditiary looks into this and close this thread.

Lets do what Danke said "Its a game. Demogame *game*. Fun and all that. Play nice" -Danke

 

[donsig]

Originally posted by Immortal
Wow Donsig, there is a great idea how about instead of splitting the game and alienating everyone, you agree that concessions MUST be made whether you like them or not. Those who you argue with make concessions whether they like them or not. Your rigid attitude to this does nothing but put up walls between you and those you argue against.

I do agree that concessions and compromise are important. I do not see building no military units as a compromise. I apologize if my attitude seems rigid however I see many dangers ahead for Fanatika if we neglect our military now and go the way of peace. I do not think we will have peace. If we remain weak we will fall prey to someone's SoD. This kinda reminds me of that king in Two Towers - the one who didn't want to risk open war. If we try to hole up in our fortress who can we count on to come charging to our rescue when our defenses are breached?

 

[donsig]

Originally posted by FionnMcCumhall

Yet again you are wrong Donsig. Governors DO control the provincal build queues and do not have to do so according to the citizens. I point out:
A governor organizes the production (building queues) of the cities in a province. Legislative section. part C

I didnt see according to the will of the citizenry in the laws.

You quote the CoL but the CoL is subservient to our constitution which clearly states in article J that Elected officials must plan and act according to the will of the people. The will of the people is defined as Will of the People – A majority preference as determined by discussions and polls. Please note the lack of the word official, valid or binding in front of polls. please also note that the will of the people can be ascertained through discussion only. As I said before, we do not elect leaders to make decisions for us but to do our bidding. The trick of course is to determine the will of the people which can at times be a very difficult thing to do especially when the people are not of one mind. I certainly understand that we are currently at such a point in our history. I do not mind being in the minority and I am willing (as always) to go with the majority. Unfortunately, only one side in this very important debate is putting forward specific proposals for the citizens to vote on. The other faction has not yet presented a specific plan for the approval or disapproval of the citizens.

 

[Cheetah]

donsig:
Then we agree about Octavinium.
Zorgonzolia on the other hand, needs culture as I see it. To combat the unhappines I want to build a Temple for now, as it also gives culture and I fear this city may fall to a cultur-flip.

I am ready to discuss any changes to the build queues, but I would like that the polls could be seperated, as I agree to some of the queues that is proposed here. I disagree to others and has not had time yet to make up my mind about the rest.

 

[donsig]

Originally posted by Cheetah
donsig:
I am ready to discuss any changes to the build queues, but I would like that the polls could be seperated, as I agree to some of the queues that is proposed here. I disagree to others and has not had time yet to make up my mind about the rest.

I almost put a temple in that queue. The big point is that it is building a pikeman right now and the market or temple would be much better. The temple would be easier to rush.

Aother point to make here is that any of these build queues (should they win the support of the people) would still be subject to a legal over-ride vote should the President choose to make any changes.

 

[Chieftess]

10-10, but it's 1 hour after the poll should have closed. I don't know what the actually vote tally was. Even still, it's inconclusive.

 

[eyrei]

I don't see any reason to close this poll until the next turn chat starts.

 

[donsig]

When I posted the poll I wanted it to close before the turn chat started so that the results would be known for the turn chat. therefore I set the poll to close in one day. Setting it to close in two days would have resulted in the poll being open during the turn chat.

The poll closed at 10-10-2. It reached quorum and is valid, official and binding as far as I can tell. Since the poll resulted in a tie it falls to the respective governors to break the tie regarding thier cities.

 

[Bill_in_PDX]

I think it is unfortunate that a citizen who has stepped forward to promote and idea is attacked, or even threatened with investigation.

Agree or disagree with the concept donsig put forth... all of that is good, but to indicate that somehow the citizens do not have the right to control their government is wrong in my opinion.

I believe that the constitution is quite clear. The leaders are responsible to the citizens. Not the other way around.

I applaud donsig for bringing forth the proposal, and hope that a free exchange of ideas will continue.

 

[Immortal]

With gaining 13gpt (if it passes) from renegotiating peace deals, it is certainly my opinion that we can build a few more units then previously thought. Even if we do not use your build queues the additional units we can support should definitely be built.

 

[Stuck_as_a_Mac]

Respective governors, eh?
I vote NO