Rap Only Ruins?

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August 10, 2003 -- NOT long ago, I was having lunch in a KFC in Harlem, sitting near eight African-American boys, aged about 14. They were extremely loud and unruly, tossing food at one another and leaving it on the floor.

What struck me most was how fully the boys' music - hard-edged rap, preaching bone-deep dislike of authority - provided them with a continuing soundtrack to their antisocial behavior. So completely was rap ingrained in their consciousness that every so often, one or another of them would break into cocky, expletive-laden rap lyrics, accompanied by the angular, bellicose gestures typical of rap performance. A couple of his buddies would then join him. Rap was a running decoration in their conversation.

Many writers and thinkers see a kind of informed political engagement, even a revolutionary potential, in rap and hip-hop. They couldn't be more wrong. By reinforcing the stereotypes that long hindered blacks, and by teaching young blacks that a thuggish adversarial stance is the properly "authentic" response to a presumptively racist society, rap retards black success.

Early rap began not as a growl from below but as happy party music. The first big rap hit, the Sugar Hill Gang's 1978 "Rapper's Delight," featured a catchy bass groove that drove the music forward, as the jolly rapper celebrated himself as a ladies' man and a great dancer.

A string of ebullient raps ensued in the months ahead. At the time, I assumed it was a harmless craze, certain to run out of steam soon.

BUT rap took a dark turn in the early 1980s, as this "bubble gum" music gave way to a "gangsta" style that picked up where blaxploitation left off. Now top rappers began to write edgy lyrics celebrating street warfare or drugs and promiscuity. Grandmaster Flash's ominous 1982 hit, "The Message," with its chorus, "It's like a jungle sometimes, it makes me wonder how I keep from going under," marked the change in sensibility. It depicted ghetto life as profoundly desolate:

You grow in the ghetto, living second Rate/And your eyes will sing a song of deep hate.
The places you play and where you stay
Looks like one great big alley way.
You'll admire all the numberbook takers,/Thugs, pimps and pushers, and the big money makers.

Music critics fell over themselves to praise "The Message," treating it as the poetry of the streets - as the elite media has characterized hip-hop ever since. The ultimate message of "The Message" - that ghetto life is so hopeless that an explosion of violence is both justified and imminent - would become a hip-hop mantra in the years ahead.

The angry, oppositional stance that "The Message" reintroduced into black popular culture transformed rap from a fad into a multi-billion-dollar industry that sold more than 80 million records in the U.S. in 2002 - nearly 13 percent of all recordings sold. To rap producers like Russell Simmons, earlier black pop was just sissy music. He despised the "soft, unaggressive music (and non-threatening images)" of artists like Michael Jackson or Luther Vandross. "So the first chance I got," he says, "I did exactly the opposite."

IN the two decades since "The Message," hip-hop performers have churned out countless rap numbers that celebrate a ghetto life of unending violence and criminality.

Police forces became marauding invaders in the gangsta-rap imagination. The late West Coast rapper Tupac Shakur expressed the attitude:

Ya gotta know how to shake the snakes, N***a/'Cause the police love to break a N***a/Send him upstate 'cause they straight up hate the n***a.

Shakur's anti-police tirade seems tame, however, compared with Ice-T's infamous "Cop Killer":

I got my 12-gauge sawed-off.
I got my headlights turned off.
I'm 'bout to bust some shots off.
I'm 'bout to dust some cops off ...

Rap also began to offer some of the most icily misogynistic music human history has ever known.

Here's Schooly D:

Tell you now, brother, this ain't no joke,

She got me to the crib, she laid me on the bed,/I f---d her from my toes to the top of my head./I finally realized the girl was a w****,/Gave her ten dollars, she asked me for some more.


As N.W.A. (an abbreviation of "N***ers with Attitude") tersely sums up the hip-hop worldview: "Life ain't nothin' but *****es and money."

HIP-hop exploded into popular consciousness at the same time as the music video, and rappers were soon all over MTV, reinforcing in images the ugly world portrayed in rap lyrics. Video after video features rap stars flashing jewelry, driving souped-up cars, sporting weapons, angrily gesticulating at the camera and cavorting with interchangeable, mindlessly gyrating, scantily clad women.

Of course, not all hip-hop is belligerent or profane - entire CDs of gang-bangin', police-baiting, woman-bashing invective would get old fast to most listeners. But it's the nastiest rap that sells best, and the nastiest cuts that make a career. As I write, the top 10 best-selling hip-hop recordings are 50 Cent (currently with the second-best-selling record in the nation among all musical genres), Bone Crusher, Lil' Kim, Fabolous, Lil' Jon and the East Side Boyz, Cam'ron Presents the Diplomats, Busta Rhymes, Scarface, Mobb Deep and Eminem.

Every one of these groups or performers personifies willful opposition to society and every one celebrates the ghetto as "where it's at." Thus, the occasional dutiful songs in which a rapper urges men to take responsibility for their kids or laments senseless violence are mere garnish. Keeping the thug front and center has become the quickest and most likely way to become a star.

NO hip-hop luminary has worked harder than Sean "P. Diddy" Combs, the wildly successful rapper, producer, fashion mogul and CEO of Bad Boy Records, to cultivate a gangsta image. Combs may have grown up middle-class in Mount Vernon, New York, and even have attended Howard University for a while, but he's proven he can gang-bang with the worst. Cops charged Combs with possession of a deadly weapon in 1995. In 1999, he faced charges for assaulting a rival record executive.

Most notoriously, police charged him that year with firing a gun at a nightclub in response to an insult, injuring three bystanders and with fleeing the scene with his entourage (including then-pal Jennifer Lopez).

Combs and his crew are far from alone among rappers in keeping up the connection between "rap and rap sheet," as critic Kelefa Sanneh artfully puts it. Several prominent rappers, including superstar Tupac Shakur, have gone down in hails of bullets - with other rappers often suspected in the killings. Death Row Records producer Marion "Suge" Knight just finished a five-year prison sentence for assault and federal weapons violations.

Many fans, rappers, producers and intellectuals defend hip-hop's violence, both real and imagined, and its misogyny as a revolutionary cry of frustration from disempowered youth. For Simmons, gangsta raps "teach listeners something about the lives of the people who create them and remind them that these people exist." 50 Cent recently told Vibe magazine, "Mainstream America can look at me and say, 'That's the mentality of a young man from the 'hood.' "

University of Pennsylvania black studies professor Michael Eric Dyson has written a book-length paean to Shakur, praising him for "challenging narrow artistic visions of black identity" and for "artistically exploring the attractions and limits of black moral and social subcultures" - just one of countless fawning treatises on rap published in recent years.

But we're sorely lacking in imagination if in 2003 - long after the civil rights revolution proved a success, at a time of vaulting opportunity for African Americans, when blacks find themselves at the top reaches of society and politics - we think that it signals progress when black kids rattle off violent, sexist, nihilistic, lyrics, like Russians reciting Pushkin.

How is it progressive to describe life as nothing but "*****es and money"? Or to tell impressionable black kids, who'd find every door open to them if they just worked hard and learned, that blowing a rival's head off is "real"? How helpful is rap's sexism in a community plagued by rampant illegitimacy and an excruciatingly low marriage rate?

The idea that rap is an authentic cry against oppression is all the sillier when you recall that black Americans had lots more to be frustrated about in the past but never produced or enjoyed music as nihilistic as 50 Cent or N.W.A. On the contrary, black popular music was almost always affirmative and hopeful.

OK, maybe rap isn't progressive in any meaningful sense, some observers will admit; but isn't it just a bunch of kids blowing off steam and so nothing to worry about? I think that response is too easy. With music videos, DVD players, Walkmans, the Internet, clothes and magazines all making hip-hop an accompaniment to a person's entire existence, we need to take it more seriously. In fact, I would argue that it is seriously harmful to the black community.

The attitude and style expressed in the hip-hop "identity" keeps blacks down. Almost all hip-hop, gangsta or not, is delivered with a cocky, confrontational cadence that is fast becoming - as attested to by the rowdies at KFC - a common speech style among young black males. Similarly, the arm-slinging, hand-hurling gestures of rap performers have made their way into many young blacks' casual gesticulations, becoming integral to their self-expression. The problem with such speech and mannerisms is that they make potential employers wary of young black men and can impede a young black's ability to interact comfortably with co-workers and customers. The black community has gone through too much to sacrifice upward mobility to the passing kick of an adversarial hip-hop "identity."

For those who insist that even the invisible structures of society reinforce racism, the burden of proof should rest with them to explain why hip-hop's bloody and sexist lyrics and videos and the criminal behavior of many rappers wouldn't have a negative effect upon whites' conception of black people.

AT 2 a.m. on the New York subway not long ago, I saw another scene that captures the essence of rap's destructiveness. A young black man entered the car and began to rap loudly - profanely, arrogantly - with the usual wild gestures. This went on for five irritating minutes. When no one paid attention, he moved on to another car, all the while spouting his doggerel. This was what this young black man presented as his message to the world - his oratory, if you will.

Anyone who sees such behavior as a path to a better future - anyone, like Professor Dyson, who insists that hip-hop is an urgent "critique of a society that produces the need for the thug persona" - should step back and ask himself just where, exactly, the civil rights-era blacks might have gone wrong in lacking a hip-hop revolution. They created the world of equality, striving and success I live and thrive in.

Hip-hop creates nothing.


http://www.nypost.com/seven/08102003/postopinion/opedcolumnists/2857.htm

Any thoughts? Do you agree with the article? Do you listen to Hip-Hop?
 
Nope I listen to Power Metal, Motorhead and Judas Priest.

The look, and music is totally different!

But the ideal is the same...Mayhem!

Cause havoc and stuff authority, that's my motto!
 
The author of this article couldn't possibly have gotten ' The Message' more wrong - far from a justification of violence, it is a bleak portrayal of the reality of the ghetto as Grandmaster Flash saw it. Ghetto life was desolate in those days, and music like ' The Message' was the result. If people had picked up on his meaning, incidents like the 1992 LA riots might have been avoided.

People like P.Diddy ( :vomit: ) don't belong in the same league, of course. But overall, this article sounds like a whole load of reactionary trash anyway.
 
Young people like to be angry, aggressive, and arrogant, and rap fits the ticket.

The article may be reactionary, but hell, living in Iowa, of all places, I see this kind of thing too. The one bone I pick with it is that it seems to single out blacks, but I see just as much whites emulating the culture.

The thing that bothers me the most about it is that it's just a rude, inconsiderate attitude to have. I hate that. But hey, young men in groups will always behave like that. What can you do?
 
He has a certain idea (which is arguably right or wrong) he is trying to get across which he twists the facts to fit. Here is the most blatant example:

Of course, not all hip-hop is belligerent or profane - entire CDs of gang-bangin', police-baiting, woman-bashing invective would get old fast to most listeners. But it's the nastiest rap that sells best, and the nastiest cuts that make a career. As I write, the top 10 best-selling hip-hop recordings are 50 Cent (currently with the second-best-selling record in the nation among all musical genres), Bone Crusher, Lil' Kim, Fabolous, Lil' Jon and the East Side Boyz, Cam'ron Presents the Diplomats, Busta Rhymes, Scarface, Mobb Deep and Eminem.

Now honestly anyone can attest to the fact that mobb deep and scarface have not sold anywhere near as many records as Nelly or Nas have sold in the last 2 years. And yet he leaves off Nelly of his top 10 best selling hip hop recordings because Nelly and to a lesser extent Nas dont have the constant violent attitude that he would like to present is necessary to sell rap records. He is twisting the facts in order to make his point appear stronger than it really is...
 
Who wrote that crap?

Hip-hop is just a "sound track". An expression of the problem, not it's origin. Perhaps people like those should take a better look at the conditions society provided theese people (hood boys), then argue about a "wicked" and vicious new style of this music. Music is an expression (or better yet, exteriorization), not a cause.
 
Oh god....not this again...

Listen, I hear and listen to rap and hip-hope all the time, whether it was in my old high school, some guy in a car with the speakers all the way up, a bunch of people holding a party in the subway...or sometimes on the radio or cds because I listen to SOME of it. I have not had the urge to go off and kill cops because I heard some lyric. The music isn't to blame, it's the lunatics who happen to listen to it.

By the way, didn't people say this same thing about good old rock-and-roll way back in the 50s and 60s and so? My father's told me things like that back when he was a young man during those times...wow...
 
Theoretically, rappers should only release one album. After all, is it really your place to talk to me about poverty when you've got more money than I could make in 20 years?
 
How come Counter-Strike movies, with people constantly spraying each other with lead, always are accompanied by classic music?

This clearly proves that classic music like Mozart and Bach provokes violence.
 
Not to forget that Hitler listened to Wagner...
 
That article is trash. "hard-edged rap, preaching bone-deep dislike of authority"What is this? The 70's? I listen to rap when i'm with my friends because they like it, and some of it is all right, but i don't respect any of the lyrics because it's all garbage. It's just popular opinion for 50 Cent to make a rap about being a pimp or Tupac to have rapped about making "changes", which is a respected song too. Rap is just the same as pop music lyrically. (By that i mean that the lyrics are all popular opinion and don't contribute anything) Any characteristics of the black community is not a result of music, but of their own feelings. Rap is no religous scripture that makes people do things. This is the kind of crap that a racist (KFC?) journalist does to grab attention. "Hey, this guy sure doesn't mind justifying his racism with music, he's cutting-edge."
 
Originally posted by rmsharpe
Theoretically, rappers should only release one album. After all, is it really your place to talk to me about poverty when you've got more money than I could make in 20 years?

Well most rappers dont make a lot of money and there CD sales are not that good, infact so bad the have to pay the label money so there still poor. Also even though they have money can't they still speak about there life before that, when the are really poor. And it really isn't about being poor that they ryhme about but what they had to do and stuff like that. Also many rappers talk about the opposite, about how much "bling-bling' they have when there really poor.

But yeah it is anyoing to here rich rappers talk about how there poor and there life sucks. Or how "hard" it is to be a celebrity(Eminem). Like I care about how you have all this money and fame but 3 people hate you so your life sucks.
 
Rap is about the only thing that awakens the suppressed Social Darwinist in me... if people WANT to end up living crappy, violent lives and to die in misery, they're free to do so and I will sit back and enjoy the show... to me, rap music really is a symptom of a major attitude problem that needs fixing before I can have sympathy for people for the plight they "portray" in their "music".

Anyway, why is rap where black people kill (white) policemen more acceptable and even supposedly artistic than White Power heavy metal where some white Viking wannabes sing about killing blacks?

I would really like to get some of those guys in the same room with gangsta rappers and see what would happen... I tend to be a supporter of letting confrontational groups fight out their differences in isolation and thus protect the innocent...
 
JOHN H. McWHORTER sounds like a wanker to me.

Rap is cool, and in the end it's just a style of music. This article is like a throw-back to the 50s when "concerned parents" worried about rock music and comic books...

Some rap is positive and uplifting, some is less so. But lumping all rap into one big negative category is like saying that all Christian music is negative.
 
I actually sent this comment to the NY Post about it:

Mr McWhorter,
Basically you're saying that black kids scare you, and black kids listen to rap music, so therefore rap music is bad. There's plenty of uplifting rap out there, if you took the time to find it. Sexy rap is the rock and roll of today -- rock seems tame now, so you think it's uplifting. But back in the day rock was considered just as edgy as rap is today.

As for the Gangsta rap being violent, well, isn't "Mac the Knife" a violent song? How about Johnny Cash's "Folsom County Prison"? How about Jimi Hendrix's "Hey Joe"? How about the old Irish folk song "Wind That Shakes the Barley"? http://www.dickalba.demon.co.uk/songs/texts/barley.html.

Violence is part of the everyday lives of some folks in America and so they write about it. The problem won't go away by attacking rap music -- rather rap music will get less violent as the problem of poverty is addressed.

Your article, however well intentioned, AT BEST attacks the symptom. Why don't you get out of your car and do something to solve the problem?
 
Make sure to tell us if you get any reply on that...
 
I don't mind rap, it just isn't my style, neither is r&b and hip-hop, or other 'black' music. Not that I hate black people, its just not my style. I prefer rock, metal and things in that way. I can't really say Slipknot or Rammstein have holy lyrics :) But I think most 'gangsta rap' just signales problems instead of creating them. They are the music of the black getto children, who are poor and have no changes becourse they are poor, black and low educated.
 
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