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Some new info from the BTS chat yesterday clarified how the new colony split logic will work in BTS (if you haven't checked it out, the cleaned up logs are recommended). Essentially, you will be able to voluntarily release your colony to become a Vassal if it is costing you to much in upkeep. There are no civil wars or internal strife, it's a voluntary mechanic.

This works fairly well with Revolution actually, and will allow you to give up a colony that is troublesome without having to wait for a revolutionaries to come to you ...

One piece of news I wasn't too thrilled about was the inclusion of the Holy Roman Empire as a civ in the epic game. Aside from the whole Europe is already over represented thing, what kind of DynamicCivNames can really work with the HRE? I can't even figure out what their adjective and short description will be ...

Anyway, post away other things from BTS that you think may have Revolution effects, or that the mod will need to take into account.
 
jdog5000 said:
Some new info from the BTS chat yesterday clarified how the new colony split logic will work in BTS (if you haven't checked it out, the cleaned up logs are recommended). Essentially, you will be able to voluntarily release your colony to become a Vassal if it is costing you to much in upkeep. There are no civil wars or internal strife, it's a voluntary mechanic.

This works fairly well with Revolution actually, and will allow you to give up a colony that is troublesome without having to wait for a revolutionaries to come to you ...

One piece of news I wasn't too thrilled about was the inclusion of the Holy Roman Empire as a civ in the epic game. Aside from the whole Europe is already over represented thing, what kind of DynamicCivNames can really work with the HRE? I can't even figure out what their adjective and short description will be ...

Anyway, post away other things from BTS that you think may have Revolution effects, or that the mod will need to take into account.
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The Holy Roman Empire?!! That's the worst addition I've heard! My advice is though to just to keep the "Holy Roman" part and just change the Empire.
 
Isnt europe too crowded to hold another civ?
 
Yea the Holy Roman Empire is going to be insane, Europe will now have what?
England
France
Holland
Germany
HRE
Rome
Spain
Portugal
Greece
Byzantium
Ottoman
Russia....

It's just to much... where they gunna put HRE on a new earth map? in between France, Germany and Holland? Yea, that won't lead to overcrowding.
 
Good God! I've just been reading through the IGN hands on article for BtS... jdog, you're going to have your hands full! :lol:

There's a lot of new stuff that will have to be modified and hooked up to the Revolutions mod... including the ability to finance rebels in another civilization.
 
Yeah, it'll be interesting. Fortunately, I think many of the spy missions will work out without any additions ... foment unhappiness can cause unhappiness, which already is factored into the rev index. The spy mission for supporting a revolt will keep a city in disorder (I think), and thereby also produce a massive rev index increase.

The events may be different, depending on how they specifically are implemented and what they do. But, similar to the spy missions, it seems like there will be some level of connection built in naturally. Whether and how it makes sense to augment this remains to be seen ...

It'll definitely be interesting ... I wonder a little about how frequent they'll be popping, as getting free great people or relation effects are significant game events.
 
Spy type units become available right after Alphabet now, so the potential for early era covert action goes up a lot. This definitely expands the possibilities of giving spies to rebel troops.

Slave revolts are one of the new events apparently, see image 10 in the gamespot gallery ...
 
The HRE included (at some point) many European civilizations, including the Netherlands, Germany (mostly!) and if going further back (Frankish Empire) Spain, and France, and Northern Italy. What a mess!

Also, geologically and historically seen: if Charlemagne is the leader, then Aachen would be the capital, which is in modern day Germany, and near the Dutch border. The HRE was a split from Spain, and after the HRE split, what was left is Austro-Hungary (direct succesor) and the many German states, which turned the HRE into an Eastern European state with a Central European capital.
 
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The HRE included (at some point) many European civilizations, including the Netherlands, Germany (mostly!) and if going further back (Frankish Empire) Spain, and France, and Northern Italy. What a mess!

Also, geologically and historically seen: if Charlemagne is the leader, then Aachen would be the capital, which is in modern day Germany, and near the Dutch border. The HRE was a split from Spain, and after the HRE split, what was left is Austro-Hungary (direct succesor) and the many German states, which turned the HRE into an Eastern European state with a Central European capital.
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But it still doesn't make it a civilization, nor does it make it a good choice or even a very defensible one. Oh well...the rest of the expansion is great, at least...
 
I'm not saying it is. Heck, Charlemagne's time was before the Splitting of the Carolingian Empire (best described as France and Germany as a single Empire).
 
The new expansion sounds like it will have some really cool features and be a good fit with Revolution. The colony and espionage features seem very relevant and the UN/Apolistic palace changes sound like something I have been waiting for (you can actually defy resolutions and the resolutions are things other than changing civics).

Unfortunately I have been incredibly busy for the past 6 months and haven't gotten to play Civ 4 at all. :( I'm looking forward to doing some play testing of Revolutions Beyond the Sword this fall after I finish my thesis, get married, and move a couple of states away :crazyeye:

Also, I'm glad to see you are still working on Revolutions jdog, you have put an enormous amount of work into this and I want you to know that I haven't played a game of Civ without Revolutions for a long, long time.
 
You can change the name of a leader when you play him
so him your unhappy with Charley then call yourself maximilian II or Ferdinand just go for the Habsburg dynasty
anyway, not sure if i understand this spy stuff yet, but it seems that you will be able to set what level of security a nation is on. Then it would seem logical that if you had a high security then revolutions would be near impossible, but if they did happen they would happen on mass.
 
If you open the XML civics and copied the BTS civics into the revolution civics xml leaving the revolutions additions, then loaded revolutions in BTS would that work?
 
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