Senate Review of Border and Official Changes?

Bill_in_PDX

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Fionn made some good suggestions in the judiciary thread regarding border proposals, modifications to the same, and actions that impact an elected officials status.

This thread is to discuss potential changes to the laws to allow for Senatorial review of the same questions poll in the Congress (the people)

Should we add a second check? If so, to what issues?
 
One Issue:
At the start of the game, there is only one(!!!) person in the senate.
So one person can completely decline the will of citizenry.
If we would tell it the cabinet to vote on, i could comply.

With maybe one addition:
If the cabinet declines the result of such a poll, it should be reposted and if it passes a second time, then it should be implemented anyways.

This will ensure that if the citizenry wants, they can put through anything even against the officials.
 
Dis makes a good point...

I do not approve of this law. Shouldn't the citizens have final say in what they want? If so, then this would just be delaying or denying their wishes. Although they may be our elected leaders, people still may disagree with who they elect, and our right to vote AND have our votes count may be compromised by a law such as this. And it will add one more prolonged step to our already slow system. Nope... Don't like it at all.
 
The citizens according to the constitution is the congress. whats wrong with the senate being able to check the powers of the congress "citizens". As much as i hate to say it the debacle that went on this past week shouldnt be allowed to happen. IMO i think that the citizens have been voteing without reading and understanding the effects said polls or laws. There were alot of instances where a senate vote could reject the border proposal and send it back to the floor. and if it passed again we live with it. We need something to make sure the citizens are educated on the consequences of certain polls that affect the whole nation. The senate would not be over rulling the citizens just merely making sure they understand the consequences and then with a revote maybe they will change their minds or not. That is mainly my idea.
 
I think any issue that will affect the status or workload of an elected official should be brought before a senate review.

I also believe the chief justice/judge advocate/president should have the power to bring something before the senate for a check as well. This isn't to take power from the citizens, just to let them know the importance of certain issues that may have been simply ignored.
 
I agree with the checks and balances system, it will allow us to stop these @#$!&^ stupid decisions! It will require quite a few senate votes to overturn a decision let's say: 7/10. This could be very good for the people of Fanatika (to stop bad decisions from happening). After a decision is overturned, it will go back to the polls.
 
You know, something about this doesn't sit well with me. Maybe it's because this seems too much like a knee-jerk reaction to an issue so bizarre, that it shouldn't have even come up in the first place, or maybe it's because I'm concerned that we are rushing into another decision without fully exploring the potential consequences of our actions.

Have we fully explored the effects of such a decision on all stages of the game (ie. the beginning, middle, and end)?

In the beginning of the game, such power would surely rest in a single individual. This alone give me great pause. No other single individual has the power to rebuff the will of the people so efficiently.

Another point of concern would be the timeliness of certain polls and the problems that would arise from such veto power. We could potentially be faced with an entire string of cancelled turn chats because numerous polls had been overturned by the senate.

Of course, I'm imagining a possible worst case scenario, but we should consider worst case scenarios before we go changing laws. Furthermore, I believe this entire issue could have been avoided, and, more importantly, can be avoided in the future. I believe that even our esteemed president would be willing to admit that while his decisions immediately following the border poll were perfectly legal, they were not politically expedient.

In short, I believe the laws we have presently already provide us with the means to resolve these matters. We should be reluctant to write new laws, especially those that potentially weaken the voice and power of our citizens.
 
Well put Forty ^_^

I see no benefits to allowing this Senate vote other than to have the decisions of the majority overrided by the minority. The citizenship may make stupid decisions every once in a while, but we can adapt and live with it, and as recent polls have showed us, can overturn previous decisions when they're deemed harmful.
 
I agree with the status quo contingent. Occasionally we will do stupid things and that's going to be part of the game. I'd rather let a stupid thing happen than put another level of complexity into the game. Especially when that level has a built-in ability to abuse or misuse the system.
 
i think we even had that issue up with constitutional changes to which the sole president could put his veto up (remember donsig?).
and the populace was rioting so we changed it to cabinet and senate votes :-)
this remembers me of that thing.
 
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