Serbia as playable civ

That's up to Velja, it's his mod. ;) He's probably busy with other things...

Veljo, if you need technical help with how to incorporate mp3s if you wish to do that, Srđan has already done it for Yugoslavia mod, and there are some explanations on his topic.
 
Mr_V said:
That's up to Velja, it's his mod. ;) He's probably busy with other things...

Veljo, if you need technical help with how to incorporate mp3s if you wish to do that, Srđan has already done it for Yugoslavia mod, and there are some explanations on his topic.
I was very busy last week(and I still am), because of faculty...

What do you think of this song:
Sedam sati udara Beograd se otvara i otvara ga Djordje u njega da dodje. Djordje na celo i za njim sve vojvode stupaju Beograde.
for Karadjordje?
 
I agree with Player1. Simplicity would be the order of the day for me.

I tried Srđan's Yugoslavia mod with music (proper song with lyrics) being played and sang. Don't get me wrong, it is a fantastic effect and I like it, but I think I might get bored of it when the novelty wears off...

My vote still goes to "Marš na Drinu", as it is a beautiful traditional Serbian song, and - it is instrumental. Nice, clear and simple. What's better, we have a traditional version for ancient and medieval eras, and a rock'n'roll electric guitar version for modern era.

Of course, it is your mod, Velja ;) This is just my opinion.

One other thing: I am not at home over the weekend, but once I get back, I may do some work on two mp3 files of "Marš na Drinu" if Velja decides to go with them. What I mean is this: Srđan's "Yugoslavia" mod plays the tune "Jugoslavijo" when you zoom in on a city. One thing I would change about it is that I would "cut" or "skip" the "introduction" of the song, i.e. the first several accords until the recogniseable tune begins. This is something I used to do when I was putting our rock melodies as mobile tone rings - they all had 4-5-6 seconds starting with just drums beat that had little or nothing to do with a song tune, and they annoyed me. So I cut them out of the begginning and started the mp3 file at the start of the recogniseable melody.

Would you think that cutting the begginning of "Marš na Drinu" would be good or not? It does have that unique and recognizeable "Dam-dara-rara-dam Dam-dara-rara-dam" intro, but would you really want to hear it every time you zoom in to a city, or would you prefer a start of tune to be the old recogniseable melody?

I'm a sucker for details ;)
 
Mr_V that something that's done in some of original diplomacy tunes too.

You have an intro part that is only played once (when starting diplomacy), and loop part that replays all the time.

Of course, interesting thing with original tunes is that they are synched so good that you don't notice when song is over and repreat starts.

Anyway, it would be good if you could split it properly.
Othwerwise don't bother.


P.S.
By the way tunes don't restart on every zoom. They continue at point they got stopped after outzooming.
 
Anima Croatorum said:
Seka Aleksić - Balkan
I'm impressed with your knowledge of Serbian "alternative" artists. Even I didn't hear of Seka Aleksić untill some 2-3 months ago. I dont even know about her "Balkan" song, but if I put Seka I'll put definitly "Crno i zlatno" :p .
 
Mr_V said:
My vote still goes to "Marš na Drinu", as it is a beautiful traditional Serbian song, and - it is instrumental. Nice, clear and simple. What's better, we have a traditional version for ancient and medieval eras, and a rock'n'roll electric guitar version for modern era.
Marš is out of question, just look at my signature ;) .But do you mean we should put it for all eras?
 
For simplicity sake:
-original from ancient to renessance (replaces both early and middle songs from original civs)
-Smak version from industrial and later (replaces late song from original civs)

P.S.
I would have no problem with some other instrumental in ancient era instead. But which one? And wouldn't 3 files be a bit too mcuh for a download.


EDIT:
So my proposal for 1st draft (quick release)
2 songs:
-original Mars na Drinu.mp3
-Smak remix of Mars na Drinu.mp3

First for early and middle eras, second for late era
For both leaders.

Looking to the future (and 2nd draft):
-some new tune for Dusan
-possible extra tune for Karadjordje in ancient era
 
what do you think to put some serbian ortodox instrumental for dusan (ancient time), something about nemanics family or something like that ?
 
kovach81,
That's good idea.
It could even be something about Sava or similar.

Drina March is just to modern and nationalist to fit well for Dusan (while it fits great for Karadjordje).


Anyway, for age related music, I'm just for one song for Dusan, to keep it in Civ4 spirit, where only remixes are in different eras.


EDIT:
Interesting info I founded is that both Mongol leaders have same music.

Also Aztec for middle and late era use same remix.

These are only exeptions to 3 songs per leader rule.
 
Velja said:
I'm impressed with your knowledge of Serbian "alternative" artists. Even I didn't hear of Seka Aleksić untill some 2-3 months ago. I dont even know about her "Balkan" song, but if I put Seka I'll put definitly "Crno i zlatno" :p .

Lets get something clear. Seka Aleksić is far from alternative. Along with Dara Bubamara and Indira Radić she represents the pinnacle of Serbian cultural export. 'Crno i zlatno' is also good.
 
A lil Off Topic..
but I was looking at the Hajduk Pic, that Alone posted... and was wondering what the story is behind those red hats
 
Irrelevant, since you can't time GP to specifit natons.

Anyway, Nikola Tesla is born in Austo-Hungarian province (today Croatia), whith Serbian natinoality.

So Croatians take him as theirs because of place of orgin, and Serbs because of nationality.

Although he spent much more time in USA (well they have the money).
 
But his serbian nationality which he also claimed.
btw for songs:
Put "Mars na Drinu" as mentioned,"Kapetan Koca","Tamo daleko" (if you want) and "Boze pravde" instrumental version.
 
Velja said:
Marš is out of question, just look at my signature .But do you mean we should put it for all eras?

Again, my vote goes to Player1's suggestion:

player1 fanatic said:
For simplicity sake:
-original from ancient to renessance (replaces both early and middle songs from original civs)
-Smak version from industrial and later (replaces late song from original civs)

P.S.
I would have no problem with some other instrumental in ancient era instead. But which one? And wouldn't 3 files be a bit too mcuh for a download.


EDIT:
So my proposal for 1st draft (quick release)
2 songs:
-original Mars na Drinu.mp3
-Smak remix of Mars na Drinu.mp3

First for early and middle eras, second for late era
For both leaders.

Looking to the future (and 2nd draft):
-some new tune for Dusan
-possible extra tune for Karadjordje in ancient era
 
Alrightee, a quick google check for 'marš na drinu'

Right on page one an apropriate link:

Seventh report on war crimes in the former Yugoslavia

(20) July-August 92:

A 40-year-old Muslim woman was at home on July 14, 1992, in Foca when 26 Serbian soldiers - claiming to be Seseljovci from Trebinje - came to her door. She said that she did not know most of the soldiers because their accents were not local, but that two Foca Serbs had led them to the Muslim homes. The soldiers hit the witness on the head twice with a police troncheon, asked for her husband, and ordered her to go outside. They sliced the neck of a 16-year-old boy with a rusty knife while asking for his father; the boy was not seriously injured. Then they ordered the Muslims to kiss an Orthodox cross, which they all did.

After separating the men from the women and children, they took the later group to the police station. As the group was leaving, the soldiers burned the Muslim houses. The women and children were separated into four groups at the police station and taken to separate houses confiscated from Muslim owners. The witness was placed with a group of 28 women. One of the soldiers told her that women, children, and old people were being taken to these homes because they were "not worth a bullet." They were kept in this house for 27 days.

Day and night, soldiers came to the house taking two to three women at a time. They were four to five guards at all times, all local Foca Serbs. The woman knew the rapes would begin when 'Mars na Drinu' was played over the loudspeaker of the main mosque. ('Mars na Drinu,' or 'March on the Drina', is reportedly a former Chetnik fighting song that was banned during the Tito years.)

While 'Mars na Drinu' was playing, the women were ordered to strip and soldiers entered the homes taking the ones they wanted. The age of women taken ranged from 12 to 60. Frequently the soldiers would seek out mother and daughter combinations. Many of the women were severely beaten during the rapes.

The witness was selected twice. The first time, soldiers had entered and grabbed an 18-year-old girl, asking her if she were a virgin. She said she was. Licking his knife, one of the soldiers said that if they found she was not, he would butcher her. The witness pleaded with them not [to] take the girl but to take her instead. "We'll take you too," they said. While the witness was being raped, her rapist told her, "You should have already left this town. We'll make you have Serbian babies who will be Christians." Two soldiers raped her at that time; five soldiers raped the 18-year-old girl in full view of the witness.

The next time the witness was raped, her rapists showed her that they had had themselves circumcised so as not to "disgust" the women. She said she knew of four local Serbs who had had themselves circumcised for the rapes. She said at least 12 other women could testify to this.

The witness also said she was forced to drink alcohol and eat pork at the rape house. Many women threw up and they were beaten for getting sick. Some women from her house were taken to a hotel near Tjentiste and raped there. The women were permitted to leave on August 18, 1992, on a convoy evacuating Muslims from Foca. (Department of State)

Just a tiny example of what the song represents to non-serbs in West Balkans. So if you still have appetite to use that-rape-song please do so.

Touche.
 
Anima Croatorum, I find calling "Mars na Drinu" rape song, as well as 95% of Serbs, highly insulting!!!

Just because some natinalistic freak used that song for his crimes does not discriminater song itself.

I guess we should ban Wagner too?
Not to mention that similar cases could be found for other sides in the war and their highly regarded national songs.

"Mars na Drinu" is Serb national song, and it represents Serbian successes when they have successfully defended from Austrian invasion at the beggining of the WWI. It highly regarded by all Serbs. It almost became national hymn at one point.

Anyway, please don't do anything similar again.


EDIT:
removed one comment I didn't find appropriate
 
OK, that's it - enough!

I guess this is down to Srđan and me, because, on Anima's topic of mod "Croatia" we objected having a song by Thompson as one of Croatian music files.

Anima replied that many of Milošević's and Arkan's thugs used that "Marš na Drinu". How can that even be a parallel? Was "Marš na Drinu" written by an, obviously, nationalistic ape gloryfying the period of nazis? Well, by that logic, why do Germans still have the same atnhem as in under Nazis in WW2? Or Croats for that matter? Where's the sense in that?

What next? Gee, I wonder did any Croat/Serb soldiers commit atrocities whilst "Welcome to the jungle" was blaring from the tape, and will we see Guns'n'Roses taken off music channels and brought to Den Haag?

Truth be told, Anima just released the modified Croatian mod without Thompson - but I just don't care any more. If we can't write to each other's topics without bringing in our, obviously, fu_ked up mentalities - fine. No Croats should give opinions to mod "Serbia", and likely, no Serbs should comment on "Croatia" mod. If they really want to have thug like Thompson representing their civilization - what the hell should I care.
 
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