Setting up a Good Base-Strategy for Babylon
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I had Consulates but I'm pretty sure that CS friends only give food to your Cap. I'm lazy and stupid and never bothered to check. The happiness is virtual growth for your satellite cities though since it means you can grow bigger faster usually.
Are you rolling "we love the king days" in your cities are frequently as humanly possible? I 100% never sent a single food caravan to Te-Moak in any of my games. The only city that I ever send one to is my Cap and I've basically never sent more than 1. All I did at Te-Moak was work my highest food tiles (3x Salt 2x Wheat) and then worked on a whack of farms. That + Granary + we love the king + eventual Fertilizer was good enough for 23 by 217 and that's taking into consideration that I was working a ton of specialist slots. I work every science, artists and engineer slot in my cities as soon as I can basically.
I 100% didn't have a religion that game. I had the +10% growth pantheon but that was loooooooooooong gone as soon as the first religions started coming out. I think that the only thing that you're missing is a constant stream of "we love the king days" because I did absolutely nothing special, had no religion, didn't have HG/Artemis and I mean that city had no access to fresh water but it still got to a decent size.
It's tedious but you basically just have to prop the diplo tab open to scan across the civs and CSes and find manageable ways to get luxuries that you need. I'm not going to lie and say that it's easy, it's a pain, but you need to put up with it if you want fast times. It's going to cost you a lot of gold and happiness but I mean that's life. You need to do your best to make CS allies to create happiness buffers so that you can trade your luxuries and gold away more or less. Takes a bit of practice but I mean the results are obvious.
For what it's worth all of my fastest wins involve games where I get Oracle and subsequently Consulates which makes dealing with CSes easier. Oracle is fairly easy to get, even on Deity, especially if you can work a mine or two. Getting it pre-NC and still getting your NC by turn 100 is do-able on some starts (not all obviously) and that's what I typically shoot for me if I want to have a sub 240 win. The only terrible starts are Jungle but those are always bad and you'll just plain never have amazing times in jungles I don't think. I could be wrong but I mean I've never had a "good" jungle game.
Are you rolling "we love the king days" in your cities are frequently as humanly possible? I 100% never sent a single food caravan to Te-Moak in any of my games. The only city that I ever send one to is my Cap and I've basically never sent more than 1. All I did at Te-Moak was work my highest food tiles (3x Salt 2x Wheat) and then worked on a whack of farms. That + Granary + we love the king + eventual Fertilizer was good enough for 23 by 217 and that's taking into consideration that I was working a ton of specialist slots. I work every science, artists and engineer slot in my cities as soon as I can basically.
I 100% didn't have a religion that game. I had the +10% growth pantheon but that was loooooooooooong gone as soon as the first religions started coming out. I think that the only thing that you're missing is a constant stream of "we love the king days" because I did absolutely nothing special, had no religion, didn't have HG/Artemis and I mean that city had no access to fresh water but it still got to a decent size.
It's tedious but you basically just have to prop the diplo tab open to scan across the civs and CSes and find manageable ways to get luxuries that you need. I'm not going to lie and say that it's easy, it's a pain, but you need to put up with it if you want fast times. It's going to cost you a lot of gold and happiness but I mean that's life. You need to do your best to make CS allies to create happiness buffers so that you can trade your luxuries and gold away more or less. Takes a bit of practice but I mean the results are obvious.
For what it's worth all of my fastest wins involve games where I get Oracle and subsequently Consulates which makes dealing with CSes easier. Oracle is fairly easy to get, even on Deity, especially if you can work a mine or two. Getting it pre-NC and still getting your NC by turn 100 is do-able on some starts (not all obviously) and that's what I typically shoot for me if I want to have a sub 240 win. The only terrible starts are Jungle but those are always bad and you'll just plain never have amazing times in jungles I don't think. I could be wrong but I mean I've never had a "good" jungle game.
Ok, I guess We Love the King days are it. I really don't pay much attention to that, mostly because I've been getting these weird Fractal maps where it's a pain exploring the whole map and I don't have that many trading partners early.
Where can I see what they want for We Love the King? I tried fulfilling some in my game today but I couldn't find it anywhere. Traded randomly and it worked but that's not ideal, hehe.
I really paid close attention to how I'm was growing my second city in today's game. I got much closer to your screenshot, was feeding it a Caravan the whole game though. I also tried the Oracle into NC and it's really cool. But I think I get the Writer's guild too late and my Culture suffers. When do you get it? (asked you in another thread but I think you missed it)
Where can I see what they want for We Love the King? I tried fulfilling some in my game today but I couldn't find it anywhere. Traded randomly and it worked but that's not ideal, hehe.
I really paid close attention to how I'm was growing my second city in today's game. I got much closer to your screenshot, was feeding it a Caravan the whole game though. I also tried the Oracle into NC and it's really cool. But I think I get the Writer's guild too late and my Culture suffers. When do you get it? (asked you in another thread but I think you missed it)
I usually get Writer's Guild in my cap as soon as NC finishes. It usually takes about ~6 turns which means that's it's finished before you need to worry about popping out a University. Fill both slots immediately since your Cap should be at 11-12 pop by now assuming a decent fresh water start (or a bunch of wheat, bananas, etc). I have definitely gotten my WG post-University and you can really feel the culture loss. Culture is insanely hard to come by it seems. That's why I like going Oracle into Consulates and getting my WG up and running as soon as NC finishes up.
Click on your city and look at the top middle to see what it wants for its "we love the king day." You can cycle through them one at a time to see what they all need. You can't always be rolling it in all 4 of your cities all game long but I mean your goal is to try.
Click on your city and look at the top middle to see what it wants for its "we love the king day." You can cycle through them one at a time to see what they all need. You can't always be rolling it in all 4 of your cities all game long but I mean your goal is to try.
Have you tried your strategy with Babylon/Korea to get even better times? They should in theory be better for SV, of course there are many other factors involved but still.Meh I have a bad habit of picking a civ liking them and then playing like 30 games as them in a row. I've already played 100 Babylon and Maya games and I've basically only played Poland and Shoshone in BnW. Every time a new civ game comes out I just pick a civ or two with strong early game bonuses and figure out how to have fun with them. Sure, it's picking the low-hanging fruit, but I mean I don't see the point in playing a bad civ if you're not forced to.
Probably should get some Baby/Maya games to see how they compete with the new changes though.
Probably should get some Baby/Maya games to see how they compete with the new changes though.
