Settlement Plan

[Chieftess]

This picture says it all. It really is an awesome site, with a balance of production and commerce plus tons of trees.

Close up view.


Zoomed out view to show relationship to capitol.

Maybe it's just my old Civ3 habit, but... it's gonna waste a coastal tile - we won't get the full benefit of it that we would get using a lighthouse (and harbor).

 

[ice2k4]

Coastal tiles really aren't that helpful, especially when you have 2 gold hills and 1 flood plain to make up for it.

 

[DaveShack]

I thought of that but we pick up 2 desert tiles if we move 1E. The deserts are even more useless than an unimproved coast.

 

[fed1943]

I agree With DaveShack, his images site is the way to go (and not just one,but
two flood to work the two gold).
An excellent commercial city, and horses,too.
Nevertheless I'll put it to 3rd to get first the north city, a great powerhouse.
Both very needed, but building power first,IMO.
Best regards,

 

[Chieftess]

I agree With DaveShack, his images site is the way to go (and not just one,but
two flood to work the two gold).
An excellent commercial city, and horses,too.
Nevertheless I'll put it to 3rd to get first the north city, a great powerhouse.
Both very needed, but building power first,IMO.
Best regards,

I think my plan to build the city up quickly (warrior, scout, granary, settler - maybe a forest chop with the granary/settler - assuming we go pottery->writing) will get us another settler in the 2nd turnchat from now.

 

[grant2004]

I agree with dave's picture on the city site exactly that will be an amazing city and the one un improved coast isn't a huge loss compared to the other squares in the area.

 

[fed1943]

Yes, do it as fast as you can,please.

I'll say, skip scout, build first the two warriors and the settler (not counting
the settler that finishes next turn); granary is ok.

Best regards,

 

[DaveShack]

So far I see support for settling between the horses and the gold, and up north next to the other gold. I think we should poll at least between these two sites as the 1st city location. Are there any other sites that someone feels should be included in the city location poll? Could a proponent of the north site please post a screenshot showing the exact placement requested so we can discuss it, and be accurate for the poll?

 

[Chieftess]

So far I see support for settling between the horses and the gold, and up north next to the other gold. I think we should poll at least between these two sites as the 1st city location. Are there any other sites that someone feels should be included in the city location poll? Could a proponent of the north site please post a screenshot showing the exact placement requested so we can discuss it, and be accurate for the poll?

As 3rd and 4th options, 1 east of the stone, and 2 east of the stone.

 

[fed1943]

I am a proponent of the north site and noticed everybody puts a screenshot.
The reason I didn't do it,is I don't know how; even if I got to put a screenshot in the site, it would be useless because I don't know to write over it. May be some day I find someone kind and patient enough and with spare time to guide me step by step (yes, I read the links,but I didn't get).

About said north site:
Very easy to see on the save,all radius visible; 4N 1NW from Karakorum (if you
want 3N from left upper end of Karakorum's radius). A grass/hills between cows and gold.
So, grass/hills with grass/cows,plains/hills/gold,plains/river,grass/hills,grass/
forest, two grass/hills/forest and a plain in its 8 tiles radius;plus 2 flood,4
plains,2 plains/forest,1 grass,2 forest/grass and 1 grass/hills in 20 tiles radius.

The 5 hills produce 6 food deficit, balanced by the city'site,cows and 2 flood.
So, a choice opened of fast grow and reasonable commerce (farmed floods)
or reasonable grow and good commerce (cottaged floods).
And always great production (5 hills, plains and forests).
And just improved by early techs. And good strategic placement.
An excellent city since its begin until the end of game.

Best regards,

 

[DaveShack]

North site (4N+1NW)



1E of Stone



2E of Stone

 

[GeorgeOP]

Maybe it's just my old Civ3 habit, but... it's gonna waste a coastal tile - we won't get the full benefit of it that we would get using a lighthouse (and harbor).

But then in the future our leader could try to kill off the population by hitting it with a natural disaster.

I like Dave's and the north site. I'm not sure which to go after first, however. The north site will take a bit longer to grow, so we might want to settle it first. But the sooner we settle the gold city the sooner we can start making some serious bank.

 

[fed1943]

Thank you,DaveShack, for the "north screenshot".

Yes, the north and the double gold are the sites to get; I would do north first
because we shall need decent defence soon and seems north more in danger to
be stolen.

About the double gold site, it looks best,not 1N horses, but instead 1NW horses:
1NW wins 1 plain/river,1 grass,1 hills/grass,1 hills/plains and 1 hills/desert;
1N wins 2 desert,1 coast,1 plains,1 grass/hills/forest (and is coastal).
So,it looks 1NW horses better (much more production necessary to build
infra).

Best regards,

 

[grant2004]

I'd be ready to vote between the 3 sites (2 gold, north, and east of stone) if you guys are, we need to get this done before the turnchat right?

 

[DaveShack]

Since we don't need stone for the oracle, I'd like to suggest polling Site N vs Double Gold as our next city. We have enough time for a mock poll and a 3 day poll, so here goes.

Which site shall be the location of our next city, as shown on the maps in the OP?

Two Gold, Horses


Gold, Cows


Other

Poll is public, open for 3 days.

Note: If other gets the most votes, then play must stop while those who vote for it help us come up with an alternative settlement location.

 

[DaveShack]

I'd be ready to vote between the 3 sites (2 gold, north, and east of stone) if you guys are, we need to get this done before the turnchat right?

Since we don't need stone for the oracle, I'd like to suggest polling Site N vs Double Gold as our next city.

I'm willing to include east of stone as a possible choice, but would like a clarification. Do you actually want it to be a choice on the poll? The reason it was suggested (stone helps oracle) is false, which cuts back a lot on its usefulness. However, if the people want hemlock on the menu, then on the menu it goes.

 

[fed1943]

I agree with DaveShack.

The two gold-horses and the gold-cows are the immediate choices.

Best regards,

 

[grant2004]

I agree that stone doesn't really need to be a choice, even if we built a city there it would still take quite a few turns to get a worker over there, quarry the stone, and then connect to the capital (assuming we're not trying to build a wonder in the new city) if we want to get connected to stone it would be just as easy to wait for our capital's borders to expand in 10 turns.

 

[DaveShack]

Poll has been posted.

 

[Falcon02]

I mostly view the stone as a good Hammer source for the city.