gOng_civ'
Chieftain
Hey Kodii, have you Vista on your computer?
SGOTM 08 - The Real Ms. Beyond
- Thread starter AlanH
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Kodii
Ka ICE
Yes. I haven't not checked whether I am able to access the save, but I am positive that I will be able to, and therefore be able to contribute some turns.
gOng_civ'
Chieftain
Ok, if you can play I would possible ask help with private message - I run Vista, and I didn't get the save work earlier. 
Jabah
Emperor
Go for 2-3 more axes in the capital asap, but use the whip once (if everyone aggree) to speed them, we are already late for early rush. The 1st axes should go around the border to scout while waiting for the last ones (you could always try to pop the hut west if it is still there).
After the 2 axes, worker or lighthouse in capital ?
I would change WB to galley in the second city (or axe, but I am afraid it will be too long to build to help), then settler ?
After the 2 axes, worker or lighthouse in capital ?
I would change WB to galley in the second city (or axe, but I am afraid it will be too long to build to help), then settler ?
TheArchduke
Feeling at home..
Orb will take the next turnset. Imo best to stop when we have 2-3 axes near Shaka´s capital and the rest behind.
Also kill the panther for some easy exp.
After the 2 axes (1 one whipped, second one built normally, we should go with 1 worker and then lighthouse with all due haste.
Also kill the panther for some easy exp.
After the 2 axes (1 one whipped, second one built normally, we should go with 1 worker and then lighthouse with all due haste.
orb
Warlord
OK - I'll play tonight at 8pm UK time.
Plan is for Capital to build 2 axe's (1 whip, 1 built) then worker then start Lighthouse (if I get that far.)
Meanwhile axe near panther takes it out. And 2 other axe's proceed to Shaka's eastern border. Panther axe will join them so that we have a 3 axe stack. - I'll stop when the axe stack arrives at Shaka's border.
Also pig city will switch to galley.
Worker will road to Ivory and hook up to help the axe movement and happiness + whatever other improvements can be made to help capital production (mines)...(Haven't looked at the map before writing this.)
Research will finish sailing/masonry then go for pottery to give Granary in pig city....If pottery comes in quickly and pig city can finish galley reasonably fast then I'll start granary, but I suspect this will finish after my turn set.
Plan is for Capital to build 2 axe's (1 whip, 1 built) then worker then start Lighthouse (if I get that far.)
Meanwhile axe near panther takes it out. And 2 other axe's proceed to Shaka's eastern border. Panther axe will join them so that we have a 3 axe stack. - I'll stop when the axe stack arrives at Shaka's border.
Also pig city will switch to galley.
Worker will road to Ivory and hook up to help the axe movement and happiness + whatever other improvements can be made to help capital production (mines)...(Haven't looked at the map before writing this.)
Research will finish sailing/masonry then go for pottery to give Granary in pig city....If pottery comes in quickly and pig city can finish galley reasonably fast then I'll start granary, but I suspect this will finish after my turn set.
Jabah
Emperor
Just a tiny bit of MM (sorry if completely obvious) : don't start the worker immediatly IF we can grow within 1-2 turn, grow first starting lighthouse (for 1-2t max), then swap to worker... (especially since we will have several high quality tiles that will be unused)
orb
Warlord
Jabah - Good point.
Feel free to point out the obvious to me...It might be obvious to you, but might not be to me....So I'm happy if you or anyone else wants to point out the obvious. I wont be insulted.
Feel free to point out the obvious to me...It might be obvious to you, but might not be to me....So I'm happy if you or anyone else wants to point out the obvious. I wont be insulted.
orb
Warlord
Got it.
I'll submit an update in about an hour.
I'll submit an update in about an hour.
orb
Warlord
Exciting game. - We are going to have to go to WAR in the next turn.
The summary of my turns:
T1 - (Game T50 - 2000BC)
Axe1 attacks panther and WINS. Hoorah!! - Nothing new visible.
Axe 2 West.
Axe 3 West.
T2 - (Game T51, 1960BC)
Tacitus completes his history of the worlds largest civ's. Suryavaman = 6th (123 points), Shaka = 7th (116 points). out of 8.
Sailing complete - Masonry selected (1 turn)
Pig city connected.
Capital = 2 turns to worker...decide to leave to complete
Pig city = 13T to WB - Switch to Galley.
T3 -(GameT52, 1920BC)
Masonry complete, Pottery selected (4 turns)
All Axemen march West. - Axe1 reaches top of Isthmus and spots strange cultural bump on Shaka's southern border...Decide to investigate while the rest of the stack turn up.
T4 (T53, 1880BC)
Worker complete in capital - moves SW/NW onto forested plains hill.
New axe build selected in capital (2 turns to complete)
All axemen West. - Axe1 encounters Zulu settler stack coming East over Isthmus. - Settler, Impi, Archer.- Axe1 moves to middle of isthmus. (3 squares below Shaka cow resource).....Nothing new visible.
Pig pasture complete - Pig city works pigs. 1 turn to growth. 23T to galley.
Capital growing in 5T, axe in 2T.
T5 (T54, 1840BC)
Axe1 SW over Isthmus. Horses in Shaka culture. Decide to push on to see if connected.
Axe2 to Shaka Eastern border at the Eastern end of the Isthmus.
Capital growth in 4 turns, new axe in 1 turn.
Pig city growth to 2 pop. - Galley in 15T, growth in 5T
Shaka settler stack is coming over Isthmus.
T6 (T55, 1800BC)
New axe (Axe4) compete in Capital. - New axe (Axe5) selected and whipped.
Axe 2 fortified 1W of rice on Isthmus.
Axe1 SW to see if Shaka is working horses.
Axe3 is now 1E of rice.
Axe4 on plains hill W of capital.
T7 (T56, 1760BC)
Pottery complete, Archery selected (4 turns) - As I suspect we are going to WAR very soon.
Shaka founds "uMgungundlovu" on the Eastern end of the Isthmus 1W of rice.
Axe2 is forced back to SE of rice and fortified.
Axe3 is fortified E of rice.
Axe4 SW.
Axe5 ready in capital - Lighthouse selected. (complete in 5 turns)
Axe1 reaches forest south of Shaka's capital. - Horses NOT being worked.
Capital size 4, growth in 1 turn. (Working copper, fish, gold, cows)
Pig city = Growth in 3 turns, galley in 13 turns.
Suryavarman = 131 points
Shaka = 120 points.
Military summary.
We have 1 axeman monitoring Shaka's horse resource ready to worker steal or pillage if Shaka tries to connect.
We have 2 axe's Fortified on the border of the Zulu second city
We have 2 axe's en route from the capital.
Here is the save file:
http://gotm.civfanatics.net/saves/civ4sgotm8/The_Real_Ms_Beyond_SG008_BC1760_01.CivBeyondSwordSave
The summary of my turns:
T1 - (Game T50 - 2000BC)
Axe1 attacks panther and WINS. Hoorah!! - Nothing new visible.
Axe 2 West.
Axe 3 West.
T2 - (Game T51, 1960BC)
Tacitus completes his history of the worlds largest civ's. Suryavaman = 6th (123 points), Shaka = 7th (116 points). out of 8.
Sailing complete - Masonry selected (1 turn)
Pig city connected.
Capital = 2 turns to worker...decide to leave to complete
Pig city = 13T to WB - Switch to Galley.
T3 -(GameT52, 1920BC)
Masonry complete, Pottery selected (4 turns)
All Axemen march West. - Axe1 reaches top of Isthmus and spots strange cultural bump on Shaka's southern border...Decide to investigate while the rest of the stack turn up.
T4 (T53, 1880BC)
Worker complete in capital - moves SW/NW onto forested plains hill.
New axe build selected in capital (2 turns to complete)
All axemen West. - Axe1 encounters Zulu settler stack coming East over Isthmus. - Settler, Impi, Archer.- Axe1 moves to middle of isthmus. (3 squares below Shaka cow resource).....Nothing new visible.
Pig pasture complete - Pig city works pigs. 1 turn to growth. 23T to galley.
Capital growing in 5T, axe in 2T.
T5 (T54, 1840BC)
Axe1 SW over Isthmus. Horses in Shaka culture. Decide to push on to see if connected.
Axe2 to Shaka Eastern border at the Eastern end of the Isthmus.
Capital growth in 4 turns, new axe in 1 turn.
Pig city growth to 2 pop. - Galley in 15T, growth in 5T
Shaka settler stack is coming over Isthmus.
T6 (T55, 1800BC)
New axe (Axe4) compete in Capital. - New axe (Axe5) selected and whipped.
Axe 2 fortified 1W of rice on Isthmus.
Axe1 SW to see if Shaka is working horses.
Axe3 is now 1E of rice.
Axe4 on plains hill W of capital.
T7 (T56, 1760BC)
Pottery complete, Archery selected (4 turns) - As I suspect we are going to WAR very soon.
Shaka founds "uMgungundlovu" on the Eastern end of the Isthmus 1W of rice.
Axe2 is forced back to SE of rice and fortified.
Axe3 is fortified E of rice.
Axe4 SW.
Axe5 ready in capital - Lighthouse selected. (complete in 5 turns)
Axe1 reaches forest south of Shaka's capital. - Horses NOT being worked.
Capital size 4, growth in 1 turn. (Working copper, fish, gold, cows)
Pig city = Growth in 3 turns, galley in 13 turns.
Suryavarman = 131 points
Shaka = 120 points.
Military summary.
We have 1 axeman monitoring Shaka's horse resource ready to worker steal or pillage if Shaka tries to connect.
We have 2 axe's Fortified on the border of the Zulu second city
We have 2 axe's en route from the capital.
Here is the save file:
http://gotm.civfanatics.net/saves/civ4sgotm8/The_Real_Ms_Beyond_SG008_BC1760_01.CivBeyondSwordSave
TheArchduke
Feeling at home..
Good call to stop, I would have been tempted to settler steal if the settler was escorted all alone, but nicely done.
I would go forward with the choke, rush, although the isthmus city complicated things (impi means copper)
Which in all likelyhood makes this a choke, rather then a rush. I would say if there are too many defenders in the capital when we arrive, we go with a choke.
After the lighthouse we could try for a quick Great Lighthouse and wait for the settler build till the galley is ready.
So the decision is really, do we build a galley after the lighthouse or do we try for a wonder?
Who wants to go next?
I would go forward with the choke, rush, although the isthmus city complicated things (impi means copper)
Which in all likelyhood makes this a choke, rather then a rush. I would say if there are too many defenders in the capital when we arrive, we go with a choke.
After the lighthouse we could try for a quick Great Lighthouse and wait for the settler build till the galley is ready.
So the decision is really, do we build a galley after the lighthouse or do we try for a wonder?
Who wants to go next?
timmy827
King
Yeah, looks like a choke now. Declare once 4 axes are near the isthmus and raze it, while moving the one axe past the isthmus to try and pillage the copper (keeping it in forests).
With copper already connected, I think Archery is useless until Feudalism/Machinery, war or no war. If we try for Oracle we should research that; otherwise start on IW for jungle clearing maybe?
Should we consider a 2-turn granary with the overflow in the capital? Will make future whipping much better.
With copper already connected, I think Archery is useless until Feudalism/Machinery, war or no war. If we try for Oracle we should research that; otherwise start on IW for jungle clearing maybe?
Should we consider a 2-turn granary with the overflow in the capital? Will make future whipping much better.
Jabah
Emperor
Could anyone post a picture within a few hours (otherwise I would look at it at home when I am back after work 
).
We probably don't need archery (not now anyway). IW for jungle or Writing to prepare to go the Glib as fast as possible.
Even if we want to try for Oracle, by the time we have a settler on the marble (need galley+settler+transportation time) and the capital has finished GLH (or should we gamble and finish Oracle first ?), we surely have enough time to research Poly or Meditation+Priesthood (or not?).
@timmy : 2t granary whip with overflow (into any Wonder if possible) seems good to me
@arch : Orb had played only 7t, so he could play a few more (raze Shaka 2nd city and scout his capital) after this discussion if he wants to.
).We probably don't need archery (not now anyway). IW for jungle or Writing to prepare to go the Glib as fast as possible.
Even if we want to try for Oracle, by the time we have a settler on the marble (need galley+settler+transportation time) and the capital has finished GLH (or should we gamble and finish Oracle first ?), we surely have enough time to research Poly or Meditation+Priesthood (or not?).
@timmy : 2t granary whip with overflow (into any Wonder if possible) seems good to me
@arch : Orb had played only 7t, so he could play a few more (raze Shaka 2nd city and scout his capital) after this discussion if he wants to.
TheArchduke
Feeling at home..
Nods, Orb you a good call to stop but I think you can go ahead if noone objects by dowing Shaka, razing his 2nd city and advance on the capital. As soon as our 5 axes are near it we can make another decision.
orb
Warlord
I thought the information about Shaka's new city was a good place to stop and let all discuss...but sure if people want me to play a few more turns then that is fine by me.
I'm happy to DOW on Shaka. - Axe's should be able to take 1arch and 1 impi.
I'll raze the isthmus city and advance towards Shaka's capital.
While all that is happening our capital will finish LH. - So I'll build a 2T granary as well. (The build and the attack should be another 7 turns.)...If folks want to discuss what we should build after granary then I can select as the next build then post again.
My thinking with Archery was it gives us defensive units for cities and helps us towards Horse Archers and Longbows...versus IW which will reveal iron but might not give us any Swordsmen if we dont have the resource.....But I'm happy to switch to IW if the team think it's a better strategy.
I'm happy to DOW on Shaka. - Axe's should be able to take 1arch and 1 impi.
I'll raze the isthmus city and advance towards Shaka's capital.
While all that is happening our capital will finish LH. - So I'll build a 2T granary as well. (The build and the attack should be another 7 turns.)...If folks want to discuss what we should build after granary then I can select as the next build then post again.
My thinking with Archery was it gives us defensive units for cities and helps us towards Horse Archers and Longbows...versus IW which will reveal iron but might not give us any Swordsmen if we dont have the resource.....But I'm happy to switch to IW if the team think it's a better strategy.
TheArchduke
Feeling at home..
I also agree IW over archery.
The granary is a good decision after the lighthouse, I would aim for a settler or the GLH, we still have good chances to get it.Thinking about it, I prefer the settler though.
The granary is a good decision after the lighthouse, I would aim for a settler or the GLH, we still have good chances to get it.Thinking about it, I prefer the settler though.
Jabah
Emperor
We will need archery at some point, for cheap MP/defence, but right now it could wait.
if we whip the granary t2, I would put the overflow in the GLH, but we could build a settler while putting the GLH on hold (and whip it with overflow as well into GLH?). Just 'time' the settler building with the galley.
if we whip the granary t2, I would put the overflow in the GLH, but we could build a settler while putting the GLH on hold (and whip it with overflow as well into GLH?). Just 'time' the settler building with the galley.
orb
Warlord
Got the save file (No surprise there.) - I'll post an update as before...in about an hour.
orb
Warlord
Orb turn set - continued:
T8 (T57, 1720BC)
Axe4 and Axe5 moved West to reach the Zulu Isthmus city.
Tech switched to IW. (11 turns)
T9 (T58, 1680BC)
Axe 4+5 West again.
Workers moved to Elephant to camp and road.
T10 (T59, 1640BC)
Axe's 4+5 West again.
Pig city growth to size3, galley complete in 6 turns, growth in 6 turns.
T11 (T60, 1600BC)
Axe's 4+5 West.
T12 (T61, 1560)
Lighthouse complete in Capital - Granary selected. (OPTIONS were gran (3), Pyr (50), GLH (20), GW (15) Maoi (25).
Axe 5 in position (Attack next turn)
T13 (T62, 1520BC)
Zulu city grows to size 2!! - Worker in city. Impi has retreated back towards Zulu capital.
DOW on Shaka. - 4 axe's move to jungle East of city.
Axe 1 advances North into Zulu territory south of Zulu capital.
Back home - Workers have completed road/camp on Elephants. - Workers move to plains hills around pig city to start mines.
T14 (T63, 1480BC)
Axe attack on Zulu city. - 1 axe lost. - City captured (+19 gold) and razed.
Axe1 has advanced to the grassland hill south of river and see's Zulu stack NE of position (same side of river). - Zulu Axe/Impi/Worker.
Elsewhere in the world Mo Tzu...Great prophet was born.
T15 (T64, 1440BC)
Axe 2 gets combat1 upgrade. - Axe stack moves West into Zulu territory on Western end of Isthmus.
Axe 1 watches Zulu stack retreat. Axe 1 moves West across river to circle Zulu territory looking for copper (And to move to forested hill NE next?)
At home:
Pig city galley in 1 turn.
Capital settler in 3 turns.
Elsewhere in the world:
Kashi Vish....built in a far away land.
Here is the save:
http://gotm.civfanatics.net/saves/civ4sgotm8/The_Real_Ms_Beyond_SG008_BC1440_01.CivBeyondSwordSave
T8 (T57, 1720BC)
Axe4 and Axe5 moved West to reach the Zulu Isthmus city.
Tech switched to IW. (11 turns)
T9 (T58, 1680BC)
Axe 4+5 West again.
Workers moved to Elephant to camp and road.
T10 (T59, 1640BC)
Axe's 4+5 West again.
Pig city growth to size3, galley complete in 6 turns, growth in 6 turns.
T11 (T60, 1600BC)
Axe's 4+5 West.
T12 (T61, 1560)
Lighthouse complete in Capital - Granary selected. (OPTIONS were gran (3), Pyr (50), GLH (20), GW (15) Maoi (25).
Axe 5 in position (Attack next turn)
T13 (T62, 1520BC)
Zulu city grows to size 2!! - Worker in city. Impi has retreated back towards Zulu capital.
DOW on Shaka. - 4 axe's move to jungle East of city.
Axe 1 advances North into Zulu territory south of Zulu capital.
Back home - Workers have completed road/camp on Elephants. - Workers move to plains hills around pig city to start mines.
T14 (T63, 1480BC)
Axe attack on Zulu city. - 1 axe lost. - City captured (+19 gold) and razed.
Axe1 has advanced to the grassland hill south of river and see's Zulu stack NE of position (same side of river). - Zulu Axe/Impi/Worker.
Elsewhere in the world Mo Tzu...Great prophet was born.
T15 (T64, 1440BC)
Axe 2 gets combat1 upgrade. - Axe stack moves West into Zulu territory on Western end of Isthmus.
Axe 1 watches Zulu stack retreat. Axe 1 moves West across river to circle Zulu territory looking for copper (And to move to forested hill NE next?)
At home:
Pig city galley in 1 turn.
Capital settler in 3 turns.
Elsewhere in the world:
Kashi Vish....built in a far away land.
Here is the save:
http://gotm.civfanatics.net/saves/civ4sgotm8/The_Real_Ms_Beyond_SG008_BC1440_01.CivBeyondSwordSave
Jabah
Emperor
Seems to have gone nicely according to our plans
Did we get a worker razing the city (or did he run away before?)
Is it possible for someone to post a few pictures of the situation , please
Did we get a worker razing the city (or did he run away before?)
Is it possible for someone to post a few pictures of the situation , please
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