SGOTM 22 - Fifth Element

[zbgayumn]

Settled 3rd city on T78 this time, so a small improvement.

I'd be willing to change tech path to Myst -> Poly -> Phood -> Writing -> Monarchy

Monarchy isn't that critical until after the 3rd city. Writing is really all about the Library, which gets 2-pop whipped after being unhappy at Pop 6. Also, if we do find some borders, I think we should switch to it immediately. It's a 20% boost in research when you get those trade routes.

I'm still undecided about when to fit it in, but it's really annoying not having Agriculture. It can technically wait till after Monarchy, but that means we can't farm the Corn until well after it's available.

 

[Noble Zarkon]

Agree Writing is about the Library mainly, understand the reason for this tech path so comfortable with it.

 

[zbgayumn]

All right, I think NZ is right about how we need to operate over this turnset and maybe beyond. So, I'll lay out the overall goals, but only a plan for about 3 turns.


Turnset Goals


Builds
1. Settler by T73
2. 3 Archers to guard borders by T61
3. Total of 8-9 archers by T78
4. Granary in Rome
5. Monument in Porcellus

Worker Actions
1. Roads to all border guards
2. Road to site of 3rd city
3. Couple of cottages

Techs
1. Pottery T56
2. Myst T60
3. Polytheism T68
4. Priesthood
5. Writing

PPP
T56-T58

T56

Rome
Tiles - Fish, Mine
Build - switch to Archer

Porcy
Tiles - Pig
Build - whip Archer

Units
Archer 2 attack barb, Archer 1 promote and attack if Archer 2 dies
Worker 2 - Road 1N1W of Rome
Worker, Worker 1 - Cottage 1E of Rome
Water - back to Rome
Galley - keeps exploring, obviously

Techs
Finish Pottery

T57

Rome
Tiles - Fish, Mine
Build - Archer 5/25

Porcy
Tiles - Pig
Build - start another Archer

Units
Archer 2 promote and move 1S to forest hill (hopefully)
Archer 1 move to 1N1W of Porcy
Archer 3 move 1S1E of Porcy
Worker 2 - Road 2N1W of Rome
Worker, Worker 1 - Cottage 1E of Rome
Warrior 2 - move to GFH 2N1W

Techs
Start Myst


T58

Rome
Tiles - Fish, Mine
Build - Archer 9/25

Porcy
Tiles - Pig
Build - finish Archer 4, start Archer

Units
Archer 2 fortify
Archer 1 move to 2N of Porcy
Archer 3 move 2S2E of Porcy
Worker 2 - Road 2N1W of Rome
Worker, Worker 1 - Road 2E of Rome
Warrior 2 - Fortify

By the time Archer 4 is finished, it shouldn't matter too much whether Archer 2 died or not.

So what would you change or add in either the goals or the short term plan?

 

[pigswill]

Sounds fine to me.

 

[Noble Zarkon]

Looks good to me as well.

 

[enKage]

I wouldnt go for monument in Porcy. Granary instead.

BTW sorry for being out for the moment, will probably be out for 2 more days and later for the weekend.

And lets go

 

[zbgayumn]

OK, so far so good!

Saved Game on T59: Link

All 4 archers are alive. One of them even has Guerilla II for double hill movement.

I ended up going with Writing because I found Saladin on T57. I thought that would be the end of exploration until we could open borders, but not so! I made a very interesting discovery: All the water tiles (that we can see) are coast. So, the galley is sailing out around Saladin's culture and will continue north.

Realized that workers can't cottage the turn before Pottery is in, so started on roads instead.


CFC Log:

Spoiler :

Here is your Session Turn Log from 1760 BC to 1640 BC:

Turn 56, 1760 BC: Julius Caesar's Archer 2 (Rome) (3.00) vs Barbarian's Warrior (3.00)
Turn 56, 1760 BC: Combat Odds: 56.8%
Turn 56, 1760 BC: (Plot Defense: +25%)
Turn 56, 1760 BC: (River Attack: +25%)
Turn 56, 1760 BC: Julius Caesar's Archer 2 (Rome) is hit for 20 (80/100HP)
Turn 56, 1760 BC: Barbarian's Warrior is hit for 20 (80/100HP)
Turn 56, 1760 BC: Barbarian's Warrior is hit for 20 (60/100HP)
Turn 56, 1760 BC: Julius Caesar's Archer 2 (Rome) is hit for 20 (60/100HP)
Turn 56, 1760 BC: Barbarian's Warrior is hit for 20 (40/100HP)
Turn 56, 1760 BC: Barbarian's Warrior is hit for 20 (20/100HP)
Turn 56, 1760 BC: Julius Caesar's Archer 2 (Rome) is hit for 20 (40/100HP)
Turn 56, 1760 BC: Barbarian's Warrior is hit for 20 (0/100HP)
Turn 56, 1760 BC: Julius Caesar's Archer 2 (Rome) has defeated Barbarian's Warrior!
Turn 56, 1760 BC: You have discovered Pottery!
Turn 56, 1760 BC: You have trained a Archer in Porcellus. Work has now begun on a Archer.
Turn 56, 1760 BC: Darius I adopts Slavery!
Turn 56, 1760 BC: Darius I adopts Organized Religion!

Turn 57, 1720 BC: The enemy has been spotted near Porcellus!
Turn 57, 1720 BC: The enemy has been spotted near Porcellus!
Turn 57, 1720 BC: Rome can hurry Archer for 1⇴ with 14ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 19 turns.
Turn 57, 1720 BC: Hannibal has founded Hadrumetum in a distant land.

Turn 58, 1680 BC: The enemy has been spotted near Rome!
Turn 58, 1680 BC: The enemy has been spotted near Porcellus!
Turn 58, 1680 BC: Julius Caesar's Archer 3 (Porcellus) (3.00) vs Barbarian's Warrior (2.00)
Turn 58, 1680 BC: Combat Odds: 92.7%
Turn 58, 1680 BC: Barbarian's Warrior is hit for 24 (76/100HP)
Turn 58, 1680 BC: Barbarian's Warrior is hit for 24 (52/100HP)
Turn 58, 1680 BC: Barbarian's Warrior is hit for 24 (28/100HP)
Turn 58, 1680 BC: Barbarian's Warrior is hit for 24 (4/100HP)
Turn 58, 1680 BC: Julius Caesar's Archer 3 (Porcellus) is hit for 16 (84/100HP)
Turn 58, 1680 BC: Julius Caesar's Archer 3 (Porcellus) is hit for 16 (68/100HP)
Turn 58, 1680 BC: Julius Caesar's Archer 3 (Porcellus) is hit for 16 (52/100HP)
Turn 58, 1680 BC: Barbarian's Warrior is hit for 24 (0/100HP)
Turn 58, 1680 BC: Julius Caesar's Archer 3 (Porcellus) has defeated Barbarian's Warrior!
Turn 58, 1680 BC: Your Archer 3 (Porcellus) has destroyed a Warrior!
Turn 58, 1680 BC: Rome will grow to size 3 on the next turn.
Turn 58, 1680 BC: Barbarian's Warrior (2.00) vs Julius Caesar's Archer 2 (Rome) (3.57)
Turn 58, 1680 BC: Combat Odds: 4.1%
Turn 58, 1680 BC: (Plot Defense: +25%)
Turn 58, 1680 BC: (Hills Defense: +45%)
Turn 58, 1680 BC: Barbarian's Warrior is hit for 29 (71/100HP)
Turn 58, 1680 BC: Barbarian's Warrior is hit for 29 (42/100HP)
Turn 58, 1680 BC: Barbarian's Warrior is hit for 29 (13/100HP)
Turn 58, 1680 BC: Julius Caesar's Archer 2 (Rome) is hit for 13 (57/100HP)
Turn 58, 1680 BC: Barbarian's Warrior is hit for 29 (0/100HP)
Turn 58, 1680 BC: Julius Caesar's Archer 2 (Rome) has defeated Barbarian's Warrior!
Turn 58, 1680 BC: While defending, your Archer 2 (Rome) has killed a Barbarian Warrior!

Turn 59, 1640 BC: The enemy has been spotted near Porcellus!
Turn 59, 1640 BC: Rome has grown to size 3.

 

[Noble Zarkon]

Good work

As I can't access the game would appreciate a screenshot showing where Saladin is thanks.

 

[zbgayumn]

Requested Screenie:

 

[zbgayumn]

Here's what I have planned for the next several turns:

As for units, I'll send the C2 warrior to the other forested hill west of Rome so that the archer and warrior hold the western flank. The archer finishing on T61 will go to the hill 1E of Porcy and protect it while it gets mined. Galley continues its quest along the coast.

 

[enKage]

BTW is Sal worst enemy of enyone? I suppose not. Gift pig or fish in such a case

 

[zbgayumn]

BTW is Sal worst enemy of enyone? I suppose not. Gift pig or fish in such a case

I don't think we need to bribe him in order to get OB. Why else would we gift him a resource?

 

[Noble Zarkon]

Plan looks good to me zbg and thanks for the screenshot.

 

[pigswill]

Do we want second galley before or after granary? I'd say before.

 

[zbgayumn]

Do we want second galley before or after granary? I'd say before.

I prefer granary first because if we wait to build it, we don't actually use it until after we whip down from size 6.

Now that we have a route to Arabia, I think there's limited advantage to putting resources into exploration.

 

[pigswill]

There's a few more civs to find but if you want to go granary first then that's not a huge deal.

If no-one else is contributing then you could assume there are no major concerns about you plan so you may as well carry on.

 

[zbgayumn]

Thanks for chiming in, pigswill. I went ahead with the plan up through T64.

Game save

It wasn't all that eventful. Barb warriors are largely avoiding suicide attacks against archers on hills, which means attacking them before they can get to our improved tiles. We lost one warrior, but gained some experience for archers.

Located Persia and Ethiopia with the galley. Got OB with both of them (and Sal) now that writing is in.


CFC Log

Spoiler :

Here is your Session Turn Log from 1640 BC to 1440 BC:


Turn 60, 1600 BC: You have trained a Archer in Rome. Work has now begun on a Galley.
Turn 60, 1600 BC: Barbarian's Warrior (2.00) vs Julius Caesar's Warrior 1 (Rome) (2.70)
Turn 60, 1600 BC: Combat Odds: 21.3%
Turn 60, 1600 BC: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 60, 1600 BC: (River Attack: +25%)
Turn 60, 1600 BC: Julius Caesar's Warrior 1 (Rome) is hit for 17 (83/100HP)
Turn 60, 1600 BC: Julius Caesar's Warrior 1 (Rome) is hit for 17 (66/100HP)
Turn 60, 1600 BC: Barbarian's Warrior is hit for 23 (77/100HP)
Turn 60, 1600 BC: Barbarian's Warrior is hit for 23 (54/100HP)
Turn 60, 1600 BC: Barbarian's Warrior is hit for 23 (31/100HP)
Turn 60, 1600 BC: Barbarian's Warrior is hit for 23 (8/100HP)
Turn 60, 1600 BC: Julius Caesar's Warrior 1 (Rome) is hit for 17 (49/100HP)
Turn 60, 1600 BC: Julius Caesar's Warrior 1 (Rome) is hit for 17 (32/100HP)
Turn 60, 1600 BC: Julius Caesar's Warrior 1 (Rome) is hit for 17 (15/100HP)
Turn 60, 1600 BC: Julius Caesar's Warrior 1 (Rome) is hit for 17 (0/100HP)
Turn 60, 1600 BC: Barbarian's Warrior has defeated Julius Caesar's Warrior 1 (Rome)!

Turn 61, 1560 BC: Julius Caesar's Archer 5 (Rome) (3.00) vs Barbarian's Warrior (0.16)
Turn 61, 1560 BC: Combat Odds: 100.0%
Turn 61, 1560 BC: Barbarian's Warrior is hit for 32 (0/100HP)
Turn 61, 1560 BC: Julius Caesar's Archer 5 (Rome) has defeated Barbarian's Warrior!

Turn 62, 1520 BC: The enemy has been spotted near Porcellus!
Turn 62, 1520 BC: The enemy has been spotted near Rome!
Turn 62, 1520 BC: Rome will grow to size 4 on the next turn.

Turn 63, 1480 BC: The enemy has been spotted near Porcellus!
Turn 63, 1480 BC: The enemy has been spotted near Porcellus!
Turn 63, 1480 BC: Rome has grown to size 4.
Turn 63, 1480 BC: Rome can hurry Granary for 1⇴ with 7ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 13 turns.
Turn 63, 1480 BC: Julius Caesar's Archer 4 (Porcellus) (3.00) vs Barbarian's Warrior (2.00)
Turn 63, 1480 BC: Combat Odds: 92.7%
Turn 63, 1480 BC: Barbarian's Warrior is hit for 24 (76/100HP)
Turn 63, 1480 BC: Julius Caesar's Archer 4 (Porcellus) is hit for 16 (84/100HP)
Turn 63, 1480 BC: Julius Caesar's Archer 4 (Porcellus) is hit for 16 (68/100HP)
Turn 63, 1480 BC: Julius Caesar's Archer 4 (Porcellus) is hit for 16 (52/100HP)
Turn 63, 1480 BC: Barbarian's Warrior is hit for 24 (52/100HP)
Turn 63, 1480 BC: Barbarian's Warrior is hit for 24 (28/100HP)
Turn 63, 1480 BC: Barbarian's Warrior is hit for 24 (4/100HP)
Turn 63, 1480 BC: Julius Caesar's Archer 4 (Porcellus) is hit for 16 (36/100HP)
Turn 63, 1480 BC: Barbarian's Warrior is hit for 24 (0/100HP)
Turn 63, 1480 BC: Julius Caesar's Archer 4 (Porcellus) has defeated Barbarian's Warrior!
Turn 63, 1480 BC: Your Archer 4 (Porcellus) has destroyed a Warrior!
Turn 63, 1480 BC: You have discovered Writing!

Turn 64, 1440 BC: The enemy has been spotted near Rome!
Turn 64, 1440 BC: The enemy has been spotted near Porcellus!
Turn 64, 1440 BC: Will Sign Open Borders: Brennus, Darius I, Gilgamesh, Zara Yaqob
Turn 64, 1440 BC: Julius Caesar's Archer 5 (Rome) (3.00) vs Barbarian's Warrior (2.00)
Turn 64, 1440 BC: Combat Odds: 92.7%
Turn 64, 1440 BC: Barbarian's Warrior is hit for 24 (76/100HP)
Turn 64, 1440 BC: Barbarian's Warrior is hit for 24 (52/100HP)
Turn 64, 1440 BC: Barbarian's Warrior is hit for 24 (28/100HP)
Turn 64, 1440 BC: Barbarian's Warrior is hit for 24 (4/100HP)
Turn 64, 1440 BC: Barbarian's Warrior is hit for 24 (0/100HP)
Turn 64, 1440 BC: Julius Caesar's Archer 5 (Rome) has defeated Barbarian's Warrior!
Turn 64, 1440 BC: Your Archer 5 (Rome) has destroyed a Warrior!

Buffy Log

Spoiler :

Logging by BUFFY 3.19.003 (BtS 3.19)
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Turn 59/500 (1640 BC) [28-Oct-2015 19:33:44]
100% Research: 19 per turn
0% Espionage: 4 per turn
0% Gold: -4 per turn, 84 in the bank

After End Turn:
Porcellus grows to size 2

Other Player Actions:
Attitude Change: Brennus (Celtia) towards Julius Caesar (Rome), from 'Annoyed' to 'Cautious'
Attitude Change: Brennus (Celtia) towards Zara Yaqob (Ethiopia), from 'Annoyed' to 'Cautious'
Attitude Change: Saladin (Arabia) towards Darius I (Persia), from 'Annoyed' to 'Cautious'
Attitude Change: Saladin (Arabia) towards Zara Yaqob (Ethiopia), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'
Attitude Change: Zara Yaqob (Ethiopia) towards Julius Caesar (Rome), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'
Attitude Change: Zara Yaqob (Ethiopia) towards Hannibal (Carthage), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'

Turn 60/500 (1600 BC) [28-Oct-2015 19:33:47]
100% Research: 20 per turn
0% Espionage: 4 per turn
0% Gold: -4 per turn, 80 in the bank

After End Turn:
Rome finishes: Archer

Other Player Actions:
While defending in Roman territory at Porcellus, Warrior 1 (Rome) loses to Barbarian Warrior (0.16/2) (Prob Victory: 78.7%)
Attitude Change: Saladin (Arabia) towards Hannibal (Carthage), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'

Turn 61/500 (1560 BC) [28-Oct-2015 19:38:05]
While attacking in Roman territory at Rome, Archer 5 (Rome) (3.00/3) defeats Barbarian Warrior (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
Rome begins: Granary (9 turns)
Research begun: Writing (3 Turns)
100% Research: 19 per turn
0% Espionage: 4 per turn
0% Gold: -4 per turn, 76 in the bank

After End Turn:
Whip anger has decreased in Porcellus

Turn 62/500 (1520 BC) [28-Oct-2015 19:44:19]
100% Research: 19 per turn
0% Espionage: 4 per turn
0% Gold: -4 per turn, 72 in the bank

After End Turn:
Rome grows to size 4

Turn 63/500 (1480 BC) [28-Oct-2015 19:45:59]
A Cottage was built near Porcellus
While attacking in Roman territory near Rome, Archer 4 (Porcellus) (1.08/3) defeats Barbarian Warrior (Prob Victory: 92.7%)
100% Research: 19 per turn
0% Espionage: 4 per turn
0% Gold: -4 per turn, 68 in the bank

After End Turn:
Tech research finished: Writing

Other Player Actions:
Attitude Change: Saladin (Arabia) towards Hannibal (Carthage), from 'Pleased' to 'Cautious'

Turn 64/500 (1440 BC) [28-Oct-2015 19:50:43]
Research begun: Mysticism (3 Turns)
Archer 4 (Porcellus) promoted: Combat I
While attacking in Roman territory at Porcellus, Archer 5 (Rome) (3.00/3) defeats Barbarian Warrior (Prob Victory: 92.7%)

 

[zbgayumn]

Screenshots:

World View

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Rome

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Porcellus

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[zbgayumn]

Quick Review of Goals

Builds
1. Settler by T73 (on track)
2. 3 Archers to guard borders by T61
3. Total of 8-9 archers by T78 (on track for 7)
4. Granary in Rome (in process)
5. Monument in Porcellus (maybe)

Worker Actions
1. Roads to all border guards (3 of 5 at the moment)
2. Road to site of 3rd city (planned)
3. Couple of cottages (1 complete)

Techs
1. Pottery T56
2. Myst T60 T67
3. Polytheism T68 ~T74
4. Priesthood
5. Writing

Next PPP

Galley keeps doing what it's doing. Priorities for workers are Mine and Road 1E of Porcy, then roads to the archer north of Porcy and toward the 3rd city site, a chop into the Settler around T70, and a cottage near Porcy.

How do you guys feel about having only 7 archers at the time of founding the 3rd city? It's pretty much the bare minimum we can get away with. I'd really prefer 8, but that means sacrificing either the 2nd galley or the monument...

 

[Noble Zarkon]

Good work zbg and thanks for the screenshots, personally I would prioritise the Archer over the Galley.