Sun God or Fertility Rites?
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Sun God gets you more growth in the short term, Fertility Rites in the long. You probably want the latter if you're doing an oversized Tradition capital with all those lakes.
Thats what I would have taken, but all those citrus and bananas on the map made me think of sun god too.
Looking to make a super large capital ofc and 3 other cities, so I'll stick to fertility rites, then feed the world and / or +15% growth during peace if they can be taken together.
Looking to make a super large capital ofc and 3 other cities, so I'll stick to fertility rites, then feed the world and / or +15% growth during peace if they can be taken together.
remember that with aztecs and growth focus, you get some % bonus to your food tiles, making sun god more attractive than normally, i would go with that, you get +3 food for the short term, allowing you to work that hill hill with a mine soon to be on.
edit: well if you can some border expansion that is.
edit: well if you can some border expansion that is.
I tried fertility rites, but now I think I'll reload for sungod:
Each city has access to so many wheat, banana and citrus here, meaning those tiles plus floating garden + temple of artemis multipliers, then later on +1 food from temples and shrines, and +15% growth while at peace would make for crazy fast growth and easy specialist support.
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Each city has access to so many wheat, banana and citrus here, meaning those tiles plus floating garden + temple of artemis multipliers, then later on +1 food from temples and shrines, and +15% growth while at peace would make for crazy fast growth and easy specialist support.
sun god won't matter much if your empire is unhappy though 
fertility rites generally is less good considering the 10% bonus stacks additively and not multiplicatively with the other modifiers. Flat +x to food is better; remember it is easier to grow larger faster once you are already large yourself as long as you have tiles with lots of food left to work; sun god does that pretty nicely here.
That, and the fact that neither pantheon produces faith means your pantheon is going to last only for so long; chances are late game (where fertility rites might come out slightly ahead on growth)another religion will be spread to your cities, nullifying any pantheon effect.
fertility rites generally is less good considering the 10% bonus stacks additively and not multiplicatively with the other modifiers. Flat +x to food is better; remember it is easier to grow larger faster once you are already large yourself as long as you have tiles with lots of food left to work; sun god does that pretty nicely here.
That, and the fact that neither pantheon produces faith means your pantheon is going to last only for so long; chances are late game (where fertility rites might come out slightly ahead on growth)another religion will be spread to your cities, nullifying any pantheon effect.
Keeping the empire happy with this much food is difficult I must say. I built the Chichen Itza, the +4 bonus lasts for like 4 turns, same with circus maximus.
Beelining Notre Dame atm.
An aptly named religion:
Trying to get my cities as large as possible, the only limit being the happiness.
Beelining Notre Dame atm.
An aptly named religion:
Spoiler :
Trying to get my cities as large as possible, the only limit being the happiness.
Yeah I would definitely take Sun God on that one. Earlier growth is always better in my opinion as it gives you a much earlier head start in science, production & Wonders etc.
Happiness will be an issue for you though, so with a Capital that will grow really large Tradition's Monarchy & Aristocracy policy is essential. I probably would have taken a happiness boosting policy over 'Swords into Plowshares'. You can get a good growth modifier from the 'We Love the King Day' already.
Buy yeah keep focusing on Happiness Wonders, trading/buying luxuries & mercentile CityStates.
Happiness will be an issue for you though, so with a Capital that will grow really large Tradition's Monarchy & Aristocracy policy is essential. I probably would have taken a happiness boosting policy over 'Swords into Plowshares'. You can get a good growth modifier from the 'We Love the King Day' already.
Buy yeah keep focusing on Happiness Wonders, trading/buying luxuries & mercentile CityStates.
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If someone else gets a religion with the 'fertility rites' pantheon you might wanna take the piety policy that allows you to have a second pantheon in cities with another religion in it.
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Sun god.
Lots of good opportunities in the area shown.
gems to the west + wheat and a river (for floating garden)
Truffles to the north can take advantage of some bananas.
I like the desert area to the east. Marble + wheat + Natural wonder. Possible oil the the future...
your problem will become growing too fast!
it just means you can work more production / specialists.
Lots of good opportunities in the area shown.
gems to the west + wheat and a river (for floating garden)
Truffles to the north can take advantage of some bananas.
I like the desert area to the east. Marble + wheat + Natural wonder. Possible oil the the future...
your problem will become growing too fast!
it just means you can work more production / specialists.
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Well, Sun God is obviously better overall but the question posed in the OP surrounded 'super large city'. So, the question is really what you are attempting after all...
Ah, food-based strategies bring warmth to my heart. I played Aztecs like this in every MP game a few years back.
Temple of Artemis (and Floating Gardens) give a bonus to your BASE food. Every other bonus only applies to EXCESS food. I hope you got ToA!
Again, like others have said, control your growth. Slot lots of specialists, build more specialist buildings so you can slot even more specialists and get those GP-enhancing buildings to take advantage of all those specialists.
Remember, food bonuses (except for ToA and Floating Gardens) increase in use the more you grow, i.e. it is not a flat bonus. Growing every turn makes much more use of food bonuses than setting your cities to production focus and eking out growth. Again, why ToA and Floating Gardens are so powerful for high-food starts.
Temple of Artemis (and Floating Gardens) give a bonus to your BASE food. Every other bonus only applies to EXCESS food. I hope you got ToA!
Again, like others have said, control your growth. Slot lots of specialists, build more specialist buildings so you can slot even more specialists and get those GP-enhancing buildings to take advantage of all those specialists.
Remember, food bonuses (except for ToA and Floating Gardens) increase in use the more you grow, i.e. it is not a flat bonus. Growing every turn makes much more use of food bonuses than setting your cities to production focus and eking out growth. Again, why ToA and Floating Gardens are so powerful for high-food starts.
Yup I got ToA, I'm playing on Noble to make sure I get the wonders I want.
I'll settle the desert spot a bit later just to grab the marble and faith wonder, I just realised those desert wheat will still give 4 food with sun god and granary.
Oh yea, the capital grew way too fast:
(marathon speed).
I think once I have size 20 capital, and size 10 in the rest, I'll settle the desert spot.
I got Stonehenge, ToA, Hanging Gardens, Oracle, Chichen Itza, and Barobaur in the capital so far, and Hagia Sophia in the west city. Going for a wonder in each city for the middle left aesthetics policy.
I'll settle the desert spot a bit later just to grab the marble and faith wonder, I just realised those desert wheat will still give 4 food with sun god and granary.
Oh yea, the capital grew way too fast:
Spoiler :
(marathon speed).
I think once I have size 20 capital, and size 10 in the rest, I'll settle the desert spot.
I got Stonehenge, ToA, Hanging Gardens, Oracle, Chichen Itza, and Barobaur in the capital so far, and Hagia Sophia in the west city. Going for a wonder in each city for the middle left aesthetics policy.
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It really depends a bit on the level of difficulty and how many AI are going to encroach on your territory. In this case it looks like the AI is not working real hard to get into your zone. I con only see India on the north west border.
Petra can be awfully hard to get sometimes, but that would be a pretty great spot for it. Since it increases food yield (?) I would think it fits the overall strategy of this thread as well
You can usually let a dessert spot that is not contested sit there for a while without concern of the AI placing a city there. Whether or not you be able to get petra... it would probably be unavailable by the time you plant a 5th city.
Petra can be awfully hard to get sometimes, but that would be a pretty great spot for it. Since it increases food yield (?) I would think it fits the overall strategy of this thread as well
You can usually let a dessert spot that is not contested sit there for a while without concern of the AI placing a city there. Whether or not you be able to get petra... it would probably be unavailable by the time you plant a 5th city.
Petra can be awfully hard to get sometimes, but that would be a pretty great spot for it. Since it increases food yield (?) I would think it fits the overall strategy of this thread as well
You can usually let a dessert spot that is not contested sit there for a while without concern of the AI placing a city there. Whether or not you be able to get petra... it would probably be unavailable by the time you plant a 5th city.
Well, with his wonder building, he is on track for an early Engineer.
Stonehenge + ToA provide engineer points. HG provides a Garden. Chichen Itza another point.
I hope you didn't waste the GE on something frivolous (or get a GS instead).
Otherwise, send a settler over to Sinai and then quickly rush Petra with the Engineer.
K Im reloading to try and get Petra and the desert city, it also has 4 fish available (settle on the iron):
I settled my first GE between the capital and west city (so either city could use the manufactory), but I will use it to rush petra instead on the reload, and also take pagodas instead of swords into plowshares.
Build order in the capital was Worker > Granary > Stonehenge > ToA > 2 settlers > Hanging Gardens > Oracle.
First settler was rush bought, I'll have to rush buy a fifth too for the desert spot instead of buying floating gardens.
Spoiler :
I settled my first GE between the capital and west city (so either city could use the manufactory), but I will use it to rush petra instead on the reload, and also take pagodas instead of swords into plowshares.
Build order in the capital was Worker > Granary > Stonehenge > ToA > 2 settlers > Hanging Gardens > Oracle.
First settler was rush bought, I'll have to rush buy a fifth too for the desert spot instead of buying floating gardens.
So heres the new progress:
Ashurbanipal DOWed me, and I only have 2 jaguars because I had to build a floating garden sooner in my production city due to rush buying another settler, but I should be able to defend.
I teched BW before Philosophy so I can get the gems and extra citrus connected to trade sooner, and will tech Currency after, I just have to hope that the AI that built Great Library took Drama and Poetry again so I dont get beaten to the Oracle (he got Great Library + Parthenon in the last game, neither of which I need, but I want Oracle, Petra, Chichen Itza and Notre Dame, plus any others I can get built like the faith wonders).
The desert city will have 4 fish, 4 desert hills, Mt Sinai plus all the resources and oasis nearby. And also I'll take pagodas instead of swords into plowshares.
Got a lot of unhappiness atm, but I will buy the truffles and marble tiles and improve them asap.
Spoiler :
Ashurbanipal DOWed me, and I only have 2 jaguars because I had to build a floating garden sooner in my production city due to rush buying another settler, but I should be able to defend.
I teched BW before Philosophy so I can get the gems and extra citrus connected to trade sooner, and will tech Currency after, I just have to hope that the AI that built Great Library took Drama and Poetry again so I dont get beaten to the Oracle (he got Great Library + Parthenon in the last game, neither of which I need, but I want Oracle, Petra, Chichen Itza and Notre Dame, plus any others I can get built like the faith wonders).
The desert city will have 4 fish, 4 desert hills, Mt Sinai plus all the resources and oasis nearby. And also I'll take pagodas instead of swords into plowshares.
Got a lot of unhappiness atm, but I will buy the truffles and marble tiles and improve them asap.
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