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I agree that we need cities to the SE and SW of Fox Nest but there's also a spot NW of Eyr that must be settled. Trying to make three settler right now would severly hamper our defensive (spearmen) production.
 
Originally posted by donsig
I agree that we need cities to the SE and SW of Fox Nest but there's also a spot NW of Eyr that must be settled. Trying to make three settler right now would severly hamper our defensive (spearmen) production.
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I really think that we would do best to continue with settlers now, and attack the Americans when we have run out of room to expand. There is still much unsettled territory around us.
 
I really think that we would do best to continue with settlers now, and attack the Americans when we have run out of room to expand. There is still much unsettled territory around us.
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I suggested in this thread that we continue the settler in Khatovar and swith Eyr to a settler now. Trying to make three now goes too far in that direction. The two new cities can make settlers. We need a couple cites recruiting spearmen or we will just be building cities for Babylon.

Also, if we only concentrate on building new cities and temples (and a wonder) AND spend our gold getting someone to fight our Babylonian war for us it will be a LONG time before we can seriously consider implementing manifest destiny.
 
One of your better posts Donsig, that's a nice plan :P
A few specific comments:

After looking things over I have come to some conclusions and would like to offer some suggestions:

Point 1, wanting horses and a city SE of Fox Nest, and
Point 2, settling NW of Eyr near horses...

So you agree with two key points in the current military recommendation? :p With no mention of it whatsoever, I'm left not knowing if you read our plan or not (which is required for 'feedBACK'). Still... I obviously agree with these two :P

> Fox Nest, the city in #1 above, Civ. PDX and Shail. - our border > cities - should be garrisoned with 2 spearmen each. The other > 4 cities can make do with one spear. That's 14 spearmen for
> defense. 14 + 3 + 1 =18 leaving 18 freely supported units for offense.

That would make a solid civil defense, no doubt. It also 100% kisses off any plan of an offense this era, and with the Nest non-productive for troops, will take at LEAST 35 turns, if all other cities built nothing but spears.

> We'd need to build 13 spearmen and six more offensive units. I
> suggest that Civ. and Shail. switch immediately to spearmen
> production. They won't be vets but they will do since we're in a
>bit of a bind. PDX and Pherris should continue with the barracks...

A workable start.

> Offense. The best defense is a good offense.
:D

This point is I think missed by Knight-Dragon's line:
"Before we can start any offense, obviously our own cities must be adequately defended and garrisoned"

NOT Obviously, I would maintain. If Babylons had not declared war there would be no need for spears or any defense off the American border at all. They will be scrambled to fend us off, in vain, while we march in and take DC, NY, Philly. They're not coming anywhere near our backline cities.

> Given this fiscal scenario I see no reason to make more
> warriors to upgrade to immortals. I do not think we could afford > it!

This may be the voice of reason. Yet... may not 'stop' because they don't NEED to be upgraded now. BUT... we would like to be able to crank out enough warriors for i) MP duty, ii) continued scouting, iii) ability to 'pay upgrade' to immortals if the situation demanded. Then with that number created (closer to 16 or 20 than 12), HOOK UP Pherris and the Iron to the rest of the network.

Still good point, and we've got as many warriors as we can afford to upgrade and should think about some spears.

Horses... a few wouldn't hurt, but I'm not seeing them as useful as immortals or spears right now. If we put the new horse towns we found on horse production after maybe kicking out a spear, that should cover it. Barracks in the SE one (it's a border town) but not in the one NW of the nest.

UN-Vote @Disorganizer!? Now there's a fresh thought! :D
(As long as Abe is not around at that time to vote, and we're enjoying the Forbidden Palace in ex-Washington)

Thanks!
General Charis
 
Originally posted by Charis
This point is I think missed by Knight-Dragon's line:
"Before we can start any offense, obviously our own cities must be adequately defended and garrisoned"

NOT Obviously, I would maintain. If Babylons had not declared war there would be no need for spears or any defense off the American border at all. They will be scrambled to fend us off, in vain, while we march in and take DC, NY, Philly. They're not coming anywhere near our backline cities.
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We're laying smack bet a few civs. If we move in one direction (against America), what if another neighbouring civ attk (like now)? What if the Americans get another civ to attk us in the rear? Fr experience, this is almost a sure thing. Are we going to take this gamble?

It's probably a good thing the Babs attked now, otherwise we'd be stuck in a two front war with our Immortals in America fighting an uncertain campaign and our own cities defended by warriors, if anything. I doubt our cashflow would have been enough to upgrade the home defense warriors as well.
 
General Charis: I did miss the post in the military thread. I personally am limiting my posts now in the department thread to help keep them 'clean' so no one will miss the important posts. I am glad that there is agreement between some of my conclusions and yours.:D

I don't think a wonder should have been started Fox Nest but we have so much invested now we should continue - esp. if the plan is to keep science low and get the Great Library.

I want to clarify that I did not suggest all cities build spearmen. I suggested that Civ. and Shail produce spears for the rest of the nation (starting now). The two cities making barracks (PDX and Pherris) should make horses or immortals - but making warriors for MP duty or future upgrade is feasable. The upgrade idea depends on our cash position - which in turn depends on what we do in the ally versus Babylon arena.

Upgrading 12 of our warriors to immortals in 12 turns or so goes a long way towards giving us an offensive force. Unless of course we have to use then to fend off Babylon and any allies it manages to acquire!

Manifest Destiny = UN vote? That's 'different'!
 
I agree that we need spearmen. We also need more cities.

And we also need warriors to upgrade and therefor money for their upgrade cost.

PDX was set to build these Veteran Warriors right? And Shail too?
 
Shail. is working on a barracks but I have suggested it forego that role in favor of producing regular spearmen now. I know other members of the CDB may call this heresy but I think regular spearmen are ok for garrison duty. With two cities producing regular spearmen and two cities with barracks (PDX & Pherris) producing offensive units the rest of our cities can build settlers and temples and wonders galore. The spearmen producing cities would also be able to produce other things once they have produced enough spearmen to garrison our cities. In a nutshell that is what I have proposed.

We must keep the big picture in mind. As one of the 'warmonger' crowd I have not and am not advocating we switch all cities to military production and nothing else. I wonder if the 'other' faction has been advocating build only settlers, temples and wonders. I must confess I've been hearing that but that may not be fair. They may not be saying that at all. Any non-warmongers want to speak up on this issue?
 
As a peace-loving citizen, I would feel safer with some long-pointy-stick-carrying people protecting me. I feel that some untrained spearmen (& maybe an archer or 2) would be enough to ward off the dreaded Babylonians (do they have bowmen?).

(I agree with the veteran Immortals & regular spearmen. Obviously, we should not build towns we can not protect. If we can keep 2 'defender' cities, 2 'attacker' cities, 2 'settler' cities, the rest is bonus.)
 
I agree that we should build spearmen. But we also need cities and Warriors (to upgrade). We need so much.

I will see to it that we build spearmen somewhere.
 
I will see to it that we build spearmen somewhere.
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Bravo! FYI: Cyc endorsed switching the temple in Civinator to spearmen. His post is in the city production summary thread.
 
Attention fellow members of the CDB:

There is a poll asking whether a temple or spearmen should be raised in Civinator. Please vote soon as we are nearing turn chat time!
 
The Iroquois Ohwell, not the Indians!

This isn't in the presidential thread yet - turn chat is happening now. I'm bringing you live updates.:D

We have an embassy with the Aztecs now.

EDIT: No word yet on how big America is.
 
Originally posted by donsig
The Iroquois Ohwell, not the Indians!

This isn't in the presidential thread yet - turn chat is happening now. I'm bringing you live updates.:D

We have an embassy with the Aztecs now.

EDIT: No word yet on how big America is.
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Hehe well destroy the Iroquois then! (they both begin with an "I
" ;))

Entering CHat now!:)

I am worried by ancient wars... it gets me on edge. We need more units fast!:eek:
 
News FLASH!!!

Aztecs ally with Iroquois!!!

We now have 2 spearmen!

American squatters approach PDX!!!

Film at 11...
 
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