Thermopylae

lysander

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This is going to sound like a minor, trivial point to almost everyone, but I'm going to say it anyway.

Ever since Civ I, the third city on the Greek city list has been Thermopylae. As the third city, it always grows into a core metropolis when the AI is playing as the Greeks, which is really annoying. Thermopylae may have been one of the more famous battle of antiquity, but it was never a city. In classical times, it was a narrow mountain pass, and in modern times it is a stop on a highway with a plaque and a statue. This would be like the English having "Waterloo" or the Americans having "Antietam" as the names for their third cities. I know it's a small point, but, as this has nothing to do with game balance, I don't understand why they put this in every single game.
 
Probably so players have a chance to say they fought the "Battle of Thermopylae". I wouldn't analzye any farther than that.
 
In Civ3 the Zulus had Islandlwana (sp?) another major battle sight.

Why? Because many people can say "Oh! I've heard of that place!" (Im not sure of that even) but nopw that its in the game you can't change it. (not including mods)
 
Open Assets\XML\Text\Civ4GameTextInfos_Cities.xml

Search for "Thermopylae" and change the name of the city in the language you're playing. (Do not change the capitalized TXT_KEY_CITY_NAME_THERMOPYLAE though, or the game won't recognizee it any more.)

Save the file. Make a backup first.

This is a crude solution. There are better solutions which involve using the CustomAssets folder and/or changing the text keys in the data block for the Greek civ. But I didn't want to make it overly complicated here. If it makes you feel better ... ;)

Intresting fact btw. I didn't know that. I know most important towns of classical Greece and I always wondered what Thermopylae was. ;)
 
Upon opening my "A Guide to the Ancient World" book, I found this:


thermopylae: Thermoplyai (Hot Gates after its surfur springs). A defile in Eastern Greece... ...Thermopylae belonged to Phocis-which fortified the pass--but in the early 5th century BC became part of Malis instead. It was the major entrance to Greece for any army... ladda ladda

So it wasn't a city at all.
 
Civ 3 had a Dutch commuter Ferry Stop as a City...can't remember it's name...

At least Thermopylae was a historically significant place....not just a waypoint for suburban commuters on their way to and from work.... :lol:
 
Lauwersoog. I always wondered why I could never find it in an atlas...
Can't you reject the city name suggestions anyway?
 
DBear said:
Lauwersoog. I always wondered why I could never find it in an atlas...
Can't you reject the city name suggestions anyway?

Not those of other competing civilizations... ;)
 
And since it has been in since civ1, it may be a shock for long time veterans to find it not being there.

Wow I've spent 2/3 of my life thinking Thermopylae was a city. How do you pronounce it by the way. In my mind I always call it Thermo-play, but I have a strong feeling that that is wrong
 
chinesefireball said:
How do you pronounce it by the way. In my mind I always call it Thermo-play, but I have a strong feeling that that is wrong

Generally: Thermopeelae
Actually :The Thermopeelaes! (Thermo=Hot, Peelae: Gates -->The Hot Gates!)

In Greek: Θέρμο-πύλες
 
Funny thing is I was thinking exactly the same thing about Thermopylae last night. But you can't go over the top on realism, half the Aztec cities belonged to or are just names of other tribes anyway.
 
Civ3 had the English city 'The Mumbles', whch is

a) Not a city
b) Welsh
c) Famous only for being the birthplace of Catherine Zeta Jones

Its dangerous to trust Civ too much ;)
 
Heh, in Civ3, when they added the Ottomans through [ptw], one of the major cities (the 5th, actually), was Uskudar, which was actually ALWAYS a province of Constantinople during the initial 200 years of Turkish rule (it was more like a village/town), and as the settlement grew, the last 400 years, Uskudar was to Istanbul as, say, Brooklyn is to New York City today.

Before the Turks started to settle the lands, it wasn't even a settlement. It has never been a city, but only a district of Istanbul. Foreigners know Uskudar, though, as it's actually the name of a famous song.

Another funny thing is, that they spelled the city Rize as Riza. Riza is a Turkish name, not a city name :D
 
Truronian said:
Civ3 had the English city 'The Mumbles', whch is

a) Not a city
b) Welsh
c) Famous only for being the birthplace of Catherine Zeta Jones

Its dangerous to trust Civ too much ;)


That one did make me laugh when I saw it in civ. I have acutlaly lived there for about 2 months (I normally live in Australia). It is acutally a suburb of Swansea in Wales.

Mumbles also has a very loud fog horn.
 
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