This game sounds....

DrewTate

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Like crap with about 20 posts on here whining and moaning about different bugs and why they cant do this and hey thsi happened ot my game.

I am wondering if I should ask for this game for Christmas? Is it worth it? I have heard people say they dont have the urge to keep playing? i want to know what some of you think.
 
Well hopefully a patch will be out soon. Personally I would say wait for the patch to evaluate the game. See if things get better. In my opinion I say it's worth it bugs and all, but that's just me. I have some graphics issues but it's not crippling. My tiles only display bread instead of hammers and coins. It's a little annoying at times but not the end of the world.
 
Fact of the matter is, its a crap shoot whenever you buy a new PC game. Medal of Honor would not run on my computer, at all. It installed, played the opening movie, then nothing. I have had similar experiences with other popular games. C3C wouldn't even install on my computer. But other games, such as Civ IV, run without a hitch, despite the fact that I am under spec. (850 Mhz Pent III)

If you like the Civ Series, and don't mind having to relearn the curve, then this will be a worthwhile addition to your collection. If not, then you might want to look elsewhere. If you're worried that you're going to buy the game and it won't run, don't worry, by christmas, most of the major game-stopping performance issues will have been solved. And if not, I was able to trade Medal of Honor for Elite Force at the store I bought it at the next day.
 
IMO the AI is a good bit smarter than Civ 3. There are new elements that makes it interesting for me. Having more variations in the Civics you choose, Having a certain religion matters (at least early on) in diplomacy, it will get piss at you for trading with their enemy, for not having the same state religion, for not helping them/not giving tribute, etc. It makes the AI dynamic more interesting.
I try to maintain a stable system, so it wasn't crashing or anything like that. With a "subpar" video card (needs hardware T&L), the unpatched version have problems handling graphics, which I think should not be that much of a problem (3D graphics that mostly doesn't move shouldn't burn all that much GPU).
IMO if you like Civ, sit back, and wait for the patch results. If it fixes some of the stability problems (mind you plenty of homebuilts and even major brands aren't particularly stable - this is from experience), and it optimises the 3D engine, it can be a great experience.
 
The game is great. The reason you hear so much crap on here about it is because only people who have a problem with the game (technical or gameplay wise) come on here and complain about it. No one is going to write a page long post about how great the game is. I sure haven't. It is the same way with every game; the people who don't like it yell much louder than the people who do like it.
 
DrewTate said:
Like crap with about 20 posts on here whining and moaning about different bugs and why they cant do this and hey thsi happened ot my game.

I am wondering if I should ask for this game for Christmas? Is it worth it? I have heard people say they dont have the urge to keep playing? i want to know what some of you think.

As polls have shown, the vast majority of forum users can play the game with litle or no problems, and is enjoying the game greatly.

However, there are some people who have technical problems. I'm sure that Firaxis will fix those (they have done it for their previous programs and they are known to support their games for a long time), however if you don't want to risk having to wait for a patch until you can play the game, you're better off waiting for a demo version. There are demo version on magazine DVDs in Germany and the UK already, so more demo versions in other countries will probably surface soon.

Another thing to note is that the game is quite memory-hungry. You *can* play it with little memory (I only have 256 MB, and I do, although I'm limited to smaller map sizes), but if you want to play large or even huge maps, you'll probably need 1 GBof memory. The game is still a lot of fun on smaller maps though.
 
buy it - i think this is the best of the civ games, and I have been playing them since the beginning. if only Master of Orion III had been anything like this in quality :o(
 
I've had only minor performance issues, guess I lucked out, but all that aside, I *LOVE* the game. I'm sure there will be a patch by christmas.
 
Check this thread for a demo version of the game.

Personally, I can only recommend it. I think it's the best Civ game so far and given its moddability, it will only get better. The only thing that keeps me from encouraging everyone to buy it are the technological issues, which I hope will mostly be solved by the impending patch.
 
I would recommend against buying it until a few pacthes come out and if you are the type of person into mods wait and see its moddabality. Which appaently sucks. No new units have been created and is seems they can't. They're only reskinned.
 
The game works fine for me, and I'm not much over recommended specs. I would like to see the patch come out one of these days, though, to fix the broken aspects with hotseat gameplay (my wife and I enjoy hotseating).

If you're computer is running at min specs, I would recommend waiting for the patch to come out before getting the game, though.

In all respects, this is a GREAT GAME! It has brought back the "one more turn" addiction that has been lacking since Civ2.
 
I dont think you should assume that this board is an accurate sample of civ4 players. Say 5-10% of civ4 owners post here. Most of the others probably just play the game, maybe not even on multiplay, and some probably can't get it to work.

Its just like anything, nobody says anything, till something goes wrong. When that politician isnt spending his expense account on beer and strippers, does anyone say anything about him?

If there's a poll somewhere asking if the game works/doesnt work, and has lots of signatures, then it might be accurate :)

Mods. well Rome wasn't built in a day, and even Civ3 didnt have much out in the first few months.
 
I advise you not to buy it. Check out the reviews on Amazon.com and see for yourself.

I bought a copy on release day. It did not work. After the ATI fix, it worked, but it crashed randomly... sometimes shutting my computer down entirely.

I sold my copy on eBay since the store I bought it from would not take it back. In the end, I lost 10 bucks and learned a lesson.

If you simply must try it, get a copy from eBay. Do not pay Firaxis or Take2 a dime as they do not deserve it.

Just my experience.
 
The game is a mixed bag. The Civics are a huge improvement over all other Civ titles. The mechanics behind religion are fairly positive, but creates easy ways to overpower other facets of the game. The way the game mechanics manage the size of your empire through costs are much better than corruption/waste. The Tech tree is mixed- without having the granularity of phases as Civ3 did, there is more diversity in what research choices you have, but at the same time there is more ability to min/max pathways, and also to research the upgrade for a military unit without having ever learned the original military unit. (cavalry can be had without ever having had Knights, for example). Terrain/map generation is poor at the moment. Mountains and Deserts are just wasted squares awaiting modders to fix. The "Worldbuilder" is a poor substitute for the terrain generator from Civ3. Again, modding tools are promised, but again, if modders are required in order to make the game deep, rich and balanced, that's a scathing indictment of the developers.

The place where this game really falls down is with the combat engine. Basing offensive power, defensive power AND health all in one number was really just an overly simplistic answer and creates an overly simplistic environment for warmaking. The unit promotions are great, and they even partially compensate for offense and defensive scores being muddled together, but nothing makes up for unit health and unit strength being coupled in one number. In short, the Civ3 combat engine was far superior to this combat engine.

In summary, in six months when the modders have had time to fix most of the problems, this game could be very worth playing. It's certainly not an unmitigated success at the moment, even after last night's patch.
 
If you simply must try it, get a copy from eBay.
Or you could simply download the demo - that's the point of demos, obviously.
 
Like others here, I would suggest trying the demo. It's free and you can see how the game plays and performs on your pc. It's definitely the way to go, as it seems somewhat chancey, unless you have a pc that clearly exceeds specs.

My personal experience with a comp that meets minimum specs is that it runs pretty well. Since updating my video card drivers, I've had no crashes at all, and since adjusting the graphics options downward, no problems with performance other than the occasional slowdown. I'd say it's acceptable.
 
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