Slash78
Chieftain
The Lewis Gun was the light machine gun used in WW1 that had a drum magazine on the top. I'll try to find a pic.
Unit Preview: Machine Gun
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Mr. Dictator
A Chain-Smoking Fox
O, but a gatling gun would be good too, work well for a Civil War Scen, like Proficia's
Slash78
Chieftain
Ok, i see what you are saying. Yes, having a 19th century gatling gun unit would be very good.
Mr. Dictator
A Chain-Smoking Fox
found one, pretty cool
Bjorn Bjornson
Libertarian
But a Gatling gun isn't a "walking fire" weapon, like a Bren, BAR, or I suppose a Lewis gun.
Personally, a Gatling gun could be a predecessor to a Machine Gunner the way a harquebusier is a predecessor to a Musketman (not talking Civ3 vanilla musketman, who is a harquebusier).
But, in a way, the vanilla Marine already fills that role, and I think its weapon is based off the BAR - atleast that's what it looks like to me.
One thing I dislike about Civ3, is the techs where industrial military units come about. I mean, you can't have efficient machine guns or repeating rifles without smokeless powder. So I made a tech after refining called "Explosives" which grants Machine Gunner, Artillery, and vanilla Infantry.
Another thing I hate, is how a bolt action rifleman needs rubber. I mean, say its the 1960s, you are researching Space Flight, can build jets, tanks, etc. - but in some new found settlement, without access to godly rubber, is forced to build muzzle loaders?! That's absurd. In my mod, once your civ learns to build repeaters, thats the lowest weapon you can go.
Ok, too much ranting today. I'm done. Again, can't wait for this unit to be finished, keep up the good work!
Personally, a Gatling gun could be a predecessor to a Machine Gunner the way a harquebusier is a predecessor to a Musketman (not talking Civ3 vanilla musketman, who is a harquebusier).
But, in a way, the vanilla Marine already fills that role, and I think its weapon is based off the BAR - atleast that's what it looks like to me.
One thing I dislike about Civ3, is the techs where industrial military units come about. I mean, you can't have efficient machine guns or repeating rifles without smokeless powder. So I made a tech after refining called "Explosives" which grants Machine Gunner, Artillery, and vanilla Infantry.
Another thing I hate, is how a bolt action rifleman needs rubber. I mean, say its the 1960s, you are researching Space Flight, can build jets, tanks, etc. - but in some new found settlement, without access to godly rubber, is forced to build muzzle loaders?! That's absurd. In my mod, once your civ learns to build repeaters, thats the lowest weapon you can go.
Ok, too much ranting today. I'm done. Again, can't wait for this unit to be finished, keep up the good work!
Slash78
Chieftain
I think that's what Mr. Dictator meant by gatling gun, a predecessor to the machine gun as a defensive unit.
Mr. Dictator
A Chain-Smoking Fox
yes with like 2-9-1 stats
Bjorn Bjornson
Libertarian
Oh, yeah yeah yeah...
I forgot to elaborate, if the Machine Gunner is to be in the defensive units chain, the Gatling Gun as its predecessor should be seperate from the chain, being a very new technology at the time - considering the Military are always conservative, they wouldn't use the newest without it being proved.
For example, in vanilla Civ3 the defensive chain goes: spearman, pikeman, musketman. I think that is too fast of a transition from polearms to firearms. And since I've added a much-needed filler, Dark Sheer's Musket Infantry, I've made it so pikemen upgrade to the new musket infantry, which comes after gunpowder. The vanilla musketman (which I call harquebusier - CUZ IT IS) also upgrades to the added one.
So it makes the new gunpowder weapons availible, but does not replace the regular polearms (since pikes were still widely used well after firearms were invented).
So, I was just saying, the Machine Gunner could be and upgrade from an earlier defensive unit, but if there is any earlier machine-gun type unit made, I think it should not be upgraded from anything, you have to build the new tech units from scratch.
If I'm making any sense. Heheheh this is all about a unit that hasn't even been really proposed as yet!
I forgot to elaborate, if the Machine Gunner is to be in the defensive units chain, the Gatling Gun as its predecessor should be seperate from the chain, being a very new technology at the time - considering the Military are always conservative, they wouldn't use the newest without it being proved.
For example, in vanilla Civ3 the defensive chain goes: spearman, pikeman, musketman. I think that is too fast of a transition from polearms to firearms. And since I've added a much-needed filler, Dark Sheer's Musket Infantry, I've made it so pikemen upgrade to the new musket infantry, which comes after gunpowder. The vanilla musketman (which I call harquebusier - CUZ IT IS) also upgrades to the added one.
So it makes the new gunpowder weapons availible, but does not replace the regular polearms (since pikes were still widely used well after firearms were invented).
So, I was just saying, the Machine Gunner could be and upgrade from an earlier defensive unit, but if there is any earlier machine-gun type unit made, I think it should not be upgraded from anything, you have to build the new tech units from scratch.
If I'm making any sense. Heheheh this is all about a unit that hasn't even been really proposed as yet!
TopGun
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Hey Trout, you still working on this one????
Troutline2
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Jees, these logins are giving me a real headache.
Ill post the .3ds file so someone can animate as I do not have the time or knowhow of animation.
Sorry for the delay guys, school has got me messed up, so much homework.........
Where can I upload the file?
Ill post the .3ds file so someone can animate as I do not have the time or knowhow of animation.
Sorry for the delay guys, school has got me messed up, so much homework.........
Where can I upload the file?
TopGun
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Bottom of the Civfanatics pages... click "Upload File". There ya go!
jamesjkirk
Warlord
Could you do the same with that Vickers tank you were also working on? thanks
Troutline2
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Thanks:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/MG_v1.zip
This is in .3ds format, I also included my other project, the Vicker's Tank, also in .3ds and in .3dm (Rhino format).
Thanks guys, hopefully I'll see my creations sometime soon eh?
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/MG_v1.zip
This is in .3ds format, I also included my other project, the Vicker's Tank, also in .3ds and in .3dm (Rhino format).
Thanks guys, hopefully I'll see my creations sometime soon eh?
Troutline2
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Troutline2
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Except I would put a Bruce Feed on there instead of that drum magazine. A Bruce Feed System are 2 magazines side by side in which the gun automatically switches magazines when one has been expended, and more mags can be continually added during firing. Of course, you'd have to be pretty fast at reloading
Echo 9
Chieftain
A Gatling Gun would be great... it would provide the first branch in
the Machine Gun family tree.
the Machine Gun family tree.
Troutline2
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Troutline2
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not bad for an hour and a half eh?
Suggestions and corrections appreiciated, and if anyone has a good metallic gold texture, I would love to use it.
Suggestions and corrections appreiciated, and if anyone has a good metallic gold texture, I would love to use it.
Sarevok
Civ3 Scenario Creator
hehe, can i use this? im making a WW1 scenario for conquests when it comes. if I can...
BRING ON THE CANNON FODDER!!!
BRING ON THE CANNON FODDER!!!
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