Upgrades... for beginner

[Lecault]

Hi,

(First of all, sorry for my english I'm from an other "Civilisation" My base language is french, so... Pardonnez-moi)

I'm new in this forum and in CIV IV to... I play Warlords, 2.08.

I have a question about units upgrades :

I know that I can upgrade warrior for swordsmen and when it's possible, the warrior can't be done by the town (cause it's obsolete)

I also know that I can upgrade archer for crossbowman... In my game, I have the technology for crossbowman, so I can upgrade archer to crossbowman, why my town can do archer again? The archer unit is not suppose to be obsolete...?

Thank you verry much...

 

[Elandal]

Crossbowmen require access to Iron, so if you have a city that doesn't have access to iron (either you don't have iron or the city is not connected to the rest of your trade network) then building archers is again possible.

There's another possibility as well: archers can be upgraded not only to crossbowmen but also to longbowmen. So if you have Machinery and Iron resource but don't have Feudalism (which enables Longbowmen) yet, you can build Archers and Crossbowmen.

 

[Lecault]

Thank you verry much Elandal... my situation is the second possibility you wrote. I do not have Feudalism... That's why I can do both of them in the same town.

Thanks again

 

[flamingzaroc121]

and by the way, warriors cant be upgraded to swordsmen

 

[Sisiutil]

and by the way, warriors cant be upgraded to swordsmen

Yeah, just Spearmen or Axemen, IIRC. Later on they can be upgraded to other things like Grenadiers and such if you still have them around (I always seem to have a couple of the kilted longhairs hanging about in my core inland cities).

 

[Cam_H]

Lecault,

I think that the details that you're after are in the basic listing of Civ4 Units.

 

[flamingzaroc121]

one of my favorite things to do is to keep my intial warrior in my capital until the end of the game then i see if i have enough gold to upgrade him to a MechInf

 

[KMadCandy]

elandal is right (as usual). units become obsolete (as in you can't make them) once you can make every type of unit it can upgrade to, assuming you have the resource hooked up.

the civilopedia is handy for checking which units can upgrade to what, i still can't keep track of it myself.

in cultural games i do *not* put a road on bronze or iron just so that i can make warriors since i don't plan to go to war early. one game recently i didn't road my own iron, but ended up with *three* iron resources connected to my cities by capturing tiles from neighboring civs. grrrrrrrrrr.

 

[lilnev]

... or it you're able to avoid Hunting, you can keep making warriors. Useful if you want the lowest-cost garrison units under HR, or as fogbusters or medics. Likewise if you avoid Horseback Riding, you can make chariots all the way to gunships.

peace,
lilnev

 

[Welnic]

You can pillage your own tiles to cut off resources. Three is a lot, though. Three also seems like a lot to be capturing in a "cultural" game.

 

[cabert]

You can pillage your own tiles to cut off resources. Three is a lot, though. Three also seems like a lot to be capturing in a "cultural" game.

really?
Three legendary cities take a lot of space

 

[Welnic]

I realized after posting that it was probably culture claiming the tiles instead of fighting. But then it was too late.

 

[KMadCandy]

I realized after posting that it was probably culture claiming the tiles instead of fighting. But then it was too late.

yup my culture took the tiles (and eventually 2 cities i kept and 1 i razed). i didn't bother pillaging the iron though since diplomatically people loved me, so i didn't need to make any more units, they weren't gonna mess with me. i did trade horses to hatty (of all people!!!) for bronze to make cathedrals, didn't have any myself.

cracks me up how sometimes in culture games my most advanced unit comes from a city that revolts to me! you get a free 'whatever your best unit is' when the city joins your civilization, and if things are going smoothly i haven't built those yet.