Vassal question
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They don't actually give up their cities to you, they still control them. They just defer to you in foreign relations matters, like war, and become a solid trading partner. They're still an independant civ in most ways though, and can even pull off a Space Race or Cultural victory.
Basically, the AI joins if A) you're at war with them and force them to capitulate because they know they're not going to win the war or B) in your case, they came to you and offered to become their vassal because they're pretty weak and they're afraid of another civilization (maybe yours) and want you to protect them. For example, in the game I'm in now, poor Gandhi was stuck between me and Shaka and had a pretty pathetic empire, so he came to me and offered his loyalty as a vassal, so he doesn't have to worry about me or Shaka wiping him out (since if Shaka goes to war with him he's got to deal with me, and being the most powerful civ in the world, I'm beat the hell out of him if he messed with Gandhi).
They don't give up their cities, but you can direct their research, demand tribute (if they refuse, they go to war, but they generally don't) and 50% of their pop/land counts towards your total, so it's not like he completely gave up, but you do have a certain degree of power over your vassal. As mentioned, they can still pull off a victory.
They don't give up their cities, but you can direct their research, demand tribute (if they refuse, they go to war, but they generally don't) and 50% of their pop/land counts towards your total, so it's not like he completely gave up, but you do have a certain degree of power over your vassal. As mentioned, they can still pull off a victory.
Are there any clues about war vasseling? A couple of times the AI I have been fighting has capitulated to someone else (which gives culture problems on your cities).
As I understand it they will mostly (always?) capitulate to the one with the most war sucess? I had one game where the romans and me were dogpiling the greeks and he would not capitulate ot me (I forget what it said, I hope it was something other than we are doing fine on our own), but next turn capitulated to the romans. I replayed it and bribed the romans out of the war then they would capitulate to me.
The peace with the romans was "We would love to, but you would have to talk to them" which might be a clue they were ready to give in.
I can see why there are some UI mods to bring this info out, it is tedous to go in the diplo screen all the time to find it.
As I understand it they will mostly (always?) capitulate to the one with the most war sucess? I had one game where the romans and me were dogpiling the greeks and he would not capitulate ot me (I forget what it said, I hope it was something other than we are doing fine on our own), but next turn capitulated to the romans. I replayed it and bribed the romans out of the war then they would capitulate to me.
The peace with the romans was "We would love to, but you would have to talk to them" which might be a clue they were ready to give in.
I can see why there are some UI mods to bring this info out, it is tedous to go in the diplo screen all the time to find it.
I think somewhere in their scripting, the AI is more likely to capitulate to the person who did the most damage to them, but if you take too much time to offer it to them, they might capitulate to someone else (I think that's the basics of it, I might be off on something). If I ever think someone is near capitulation I just keep checking the diplomacy screen and see if Capitulation is available. Also pretty sure that if they're not at war with another civilization, they can't capitulate to them. Because of that, it might be beneficial to have any other civs that are at war with your target make peace with the civ you're trying to get to capitulate so they don't interfere.
There's a post around these forums somewhere that goes into a lot of detail and gives ways to avoid the problem of your enemy capitulating to someone else. Again, I find it best to just constantly check to see if Capitulation is an option so I don't have to worry about my opponent surrendering to someone else.
There's a post around these forums somewhere that goes into a lot of detail and gives ways to avoid the problem of your enemy capitulating to someone else. Again, I find it best to just constantly check to see if Capitulation is an option so I don't have to worry about my opponent surrendering to someone else.
That's what you need to do regardless. The AI will rarely offer to capitulate to the human player. If you don't check the diplomacy screen regularly, they might even turn to a civ they currently aren't at war with for protection, dragging you into a broader campaign.
They are more likely to capitulate to the Civ that has the biggest war success, it's not exclusive. The bias is mostly to prevent capitulating to Civs that didn't really do anything in the war, so it's not very hard to overcome. So pretty much what BobDole said 2 posts up
A bribed peace deal is only possible if the bribed Civs enemy is also willing to take peace. If they're kicking ass, they obviously don't want peace, hence that response if you try to bribe peace through their opponent. I guess it's kind of a clue, but the asskickery should be pretty evident from city capture messages without going in the diplo screen
