Vassalage Era Limit

[Sultan_of_ATL]

After playing many games, I'm convinced Vassals should be replaced after Defensive pacts become available. I also think there should be versions of NAFTA, NATO, & EU that can be built by Allies to replace vassals. I'm not a programmer, so I don't know if this can be modded, but I think it would add so much to the late game.

 

[blitzkrieg1980]

Nah, they should just change the word "vassals" to "economic slaves" when you found corporations

 

[CCRunner]

The various alliances are (sorta) simulated by defensive pacts. Not exactly what you're looking for though.

 

[Sultan_of_ATL]

The various alliances are (sorta) simulated by defensive pacts. Not exactly what you're looking for though.

They are some what, I agree. But, the vassals impede the Def. Pacts, or at least in my games they do. And outside of Alliance there is nothing to form strong Economic Bonds with "Friendly" civs. For instance instead of having a Vassal it would make more since for the lower tiered Civs to join a trade or Military pact. Or keep the Defensive Pact, but make it stronger. And offer an Economic version of it.

 

[CCRunner]

A stronger Defensive Pact is Permanent Alliance
What do you have in mind for an Economic DP? What would it do?

 

[Sultan_of_ATL]

A stronger Defensive Pact is Permanent Alliance
What do you have in mind for an Economic DP? What would it do?

For instance I was thinking if you built NAFTA or the EU, you could have access to a free trade agreement with all Civs on your home continent. This would give you either a surplus trade route, or 10 % increase on trade income with those nations.

 

[CCRunner]

So sort of like a selective UN with strictly trade route things? That sounds good and easily (not for me) moddable.

 

[say1988]

No. vassals and defensive pacts are entirely different things, but in game and historically. Sure there may be a bit of a grey area, but generally no.
Lets take WWII as a good example of everything (and when it was put into effect):
Poland, France, and the UK effectively had defensive pacts, so when Poland was attacked the other two were drawn into war.
British and French colonies (represented by vassals in game) were immediately into the war.
Vichy France is the same as if France capitulated to Germany.
German puppet states in Eastern Europe (and more obviously and famously Japanese Manchukuo) were in civ terms vassals. Permanent Alliances extend this relationship.

The biggest thing: defensive pact puts the two the partners on equal terms (sure one may benefit more than the other, but they both receive the same benefits).
Vassals is when there is a clear leader and follower. Where one tells the other what to do.