What are implications of restart?

[Cactus Pete]

I annihilate the Celts and the Romans appear. This is unjust. Virtue in battle is not rewarded, rather it is punished.

I've never played with restart. Can the game be won by conquest, or is this Matrix's scheme to force spaceships on the lot of us?

 

[kundor]

Yes, of course you can win by conquest. The new appearing civs start with just one settler and will never catch up. When you find them, you can easily kill them. As you expand they'll quickly run out of places to spawn. I never play with restart off, it's like free cities, with infrastructure and everything.

 

[Duke of Marlbrough]

As an extra bonus they can restart twice too.

If it is early enough in the game they can come back as the third nation of whatever color they are.

When they are reborn, they usually come in with the same level of tech as the rest of the world (sometimes it seems a little better), so they make great trade and kill partners.

 

[Smash]

So far I've conquered 17 civs in this game.
When they appear,I make nice by gifting techs until worshipful then trade maps.I have killed 4 civs before they even built 1 city like this.Chasing settlers around the map.
Twice I saved thinking it was the end....
I think I got them now.Just one appears on my embassy screen(Marco's) but now my stupid senate won't let me finish it.If I revolt and attack I lose major points....so now I have found myself heading for space instead.

No more spawning after 1750 if that makes a difference to you.
I used to think you only had to get each color 3 times but I have killed the Japanese 3 times,Babs once and the Zulus once.Sioux twice,Mongols twice and Indians once also.Thats 10 civs with just 2 colors.



[This message has been edited by Smash (edited August 02, 2001).]

 

[Ecco]

to smash: wow

to all: ah... if i'm getting my ass kicked by a second-class civ (namely the romans) does that mean i'm a bad player? coz you said "they'd never catch up"! Damn...

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[noughmaster]

No more spawning after 1750 if that makes a difference to you.
I used to think you only had to get each color 3 times but I have killed the Japanese 3 times,Babs once and the Zulus once.Sioux twice,Mongols twice and Indians once also.Thats 10 civs with just 2 colors.

You're right. I almost always play with restarting civs and it seems that you can kill as many as you like and they will just cycle through the civs of the same colour until either:
(i) There is no more space for a new civ
or (ii) The game reaches some trigger event. I initially thought it was the discovery of some tech like Automobile or Flight, but it could be 1750.

Have you ever noticed that if you choose 7 civs on a small enough map eg. 30 x 40, the game will not actually create all 6 AI civs?
I think it uses a similar principle when you're killing them. Even if it's before 1750, if there's not enough free land area, a new one will not be created. I tried this on a small map and ended the game by conquest before 1000BC with restart civs turned on.

 

[Cactus Pete]

I appreciate all these replies, but it remains unclear to me whether the game can be won by conquest before 1750AD if restart is on.

Has anyone done that? If so, how?

 

[wdheisse]

Just to echo ECCO ---- I'm at 1000 AD, and the Romans are #1, I'm assuming that they are in the New World.

 

[noughmaster]

I appreciate all these replies, but it remains unclear to me whether the game can be won by conquest before 1750AD if restart is on.
Has anyone done that? If so, how?

Yes, I've done it plenty of times on small worlds (see my previous post).
It's possible, although I don't think it's very likely to do it in this game. The AI should always be able to find some spare space to start a new civ.
I'd be surprised (and impressed) if anyone could settle enough cities by 1750 to prevent this happening.

 

[Smash]

I think I was but I had switched to Demo to get a few extra population points.Now my damn senate won't let it happen.I even risked a collapse with sabotage and the ai would not declare.It would have been civ #20 but now its too late.

Maybe I'll go for 10,000....

if I do please send me help....

where is shadowdale?

 

[willemvanoranje]

10,000? Are you sure Smash. Btw, Shadowdale is on vacation (a real one, not banned or something

) and I don't know when he'll come back. Sounds like you have to do it alone. Sure you can make the 10,000 points then?

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[Smash]

No way.I'm not going to suffer like that.

 

[Matrix]

Gosh, what a problems. I also got this problem: After destroying the Celts, the Russians appeared. Moskow lies on the place of Washington and St. Petersburg is where Dar-es-Salaam exists!!! Moskow - N-America; St. Petersburg - Africa!!! What the hell is going on here?!?

Anyway, I'm doing terrible and the only civ I've destroyed are the Celts. But Smash, I guess the best thing to do is to build a space ship... I'm afraid that on this large map conquest before 1750 is impossible. Next time we won't let the others restart...

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[TheViking]

Originally posted by Cactus Pete:
I appreciate all these replies, but it remains unclear to me whether the game can be won by conquest before 1750AD if restart is on.

Has anyone done that? If so, how?

I've conquered the world in 1530 AD in a normal size world with restart on. I just went to war against everyone very early on and built lots of cities and dozens of diplomats and crusaders.

However, I suspect there may be a bug (or feature ?

) involving restarted civs. I've found that if you kill a new settler before that particular civ has managed to build a single city a new settler from the same civ may appear elsewhere in the map on the same turn I kill it !! So I sometimes wait until a 'new' civ has built its first city and then destroy them.

TheViking

 

[Duke of Marlbrough]

That kinda ties in with what I remember about civs only being able to restart twice. I guess you have to let them found a city first though for them to count.

 

[RJP]

I just went to Africa and ran into the Greeks (Athens). They were the same color as myself.

I thought only one civ of each color was possible. Strange things are happening.

RJP

 

[kundor]

to all: ah... if i'm getting my ass kicked by a second-class civ (namely the romans) does that mean i'm a bad player? coz you said "they'd never catch up"! Damn...
--ecco

Well, sorry, I based that on a small map as I'm more used to, and killing civs later in the game...more often than notin that case, they spawn on a small island and can't get more than one or two cities, while the others have spread out into dozens of cities. If a civ is killed early and spawns on a large completely empty continent (ie the Americas) then yes, they could become very powerful. So no, that wouldn't make me think you were a bad player...
What's with this crazy framed topic review?

 

[noughmaster]

I appreciate all these replies, but it remains unclear to me whether the game can be won by conquest before 1750AD if restart is on.
Has anyone done that? If so, how?

Yes, I've done it plenty of times on small worlds (see my previous post).
It's possible, although I don't think it's very likely to do it in this game. The AI should always be able to find some spare space to start a new civ.
I'd be surprised (and impressed) if anyone could settle enough cities by 1750 to prevent this happening.

I shouldn't have spoken so soon ... I started killing civs in 1450 when I had 130 cities covering most of the world and they aren't reappearing somewhere else. I checked this with the UN. Later, the Apollo program confirmed it.
It was strange, however, because there was open space left: New Zealand and some northern islands in Russia and Canada were vacant, but the killed civs didn't restart to settle them.
This makes me think there might also be some tech discovery trigger which stops civs restarting. Perhaps automobile or flight? I know it's not space flight because I didn't have it in 1450.