What's the logic in preventing Marines from being upgraded?

paratroopers are my FAVORITE if its possbile to paradrop from a transport... I dont think i'd use a marine... I mean i usually play as America because I prefer to have my UU unupgradable, so The Navy Seal(replaces Marine) comes in very handy when I do want to take coastal cities or fight over rivers. They also pump out nice and fast and make a great addition to offensive and defensive stacks.
 
Personally, I wish marines would be given a 10% bonus to city attacks to represent their better equipment and better close-quarters and hand-to-hand training. As it is now, defending infantry generally beat marines most of the time.
 
Instant_Cereal said:
Personally, I wish marines would be given a 10% bonus to city attacks to represent their better equipment and better close-quarters and hand-to-hand training. As it is now, defending infantry generally beat marines most of the time.
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I'm not sure if your talking about the game or real life, but in real life Marines get shafted on equipment, most marine equipment is hand-me down army gear and they have a much smaller budget, they often go out less then perfectly equipped and there gear is never as good as the army/infantry.

There 'real' purpose is beach assault, which is basically to say suicide :) which might explain why they get the lesser gear lol But they are also the ones that go in and fight the "Small Wars" or go do the dirty work.

If anything they should get a bonus moving through jungles in addition to amphibious and prob a march bonus, if you wanted an authentic unit, they should also have a slightly higher over-all strength then a regular infantry unit.

Also, Blitz would be appropriate as they teach marine to advance aggressively and keep coming no matter what, which ties into there purpose.. beach assault.

They could get a City Def bonus too, due to the fact there only other non-wartime activity besides training is guarding embassies.
 
SickCycle said:
I'm not sure if your talking about the game or real life, but in real life Marines get shafted on equipment, most marine equipment is hand-me down army gear and they have a much smaller budget, they often go out less then perfectly equipped and there gear is never as good as the army/infantry.

There 'real' purpose is beach assault, which is basically to say suicide :) which might explain why they get the lesser gear lol But they are also the ones that go in and fight the "Small Wars" or go do the dirty work.

If anything they should get a bonus moving through jungles in addition to amphibious and prob a march bonus, if you wanted an authentic unit, they should also have a slightly higher over-all strength then a regular infantry unit.

Also, Blitz would be appropriate as they teach marine to advance aggressively and keep coming no matter what, which ties into there purpose.. beach assault.

They could get a City Def bonus too, due to the fact there only other non-wartime activity besides training is guarding embassies.
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Really? I have a friend in the marine corps, and I hear the marines are often equipped with the latest and best equipment. For example, the US army still uses the M16A2 while the US Marines uses the M16A4.
 
The Marine Corp does a different job then the Infantry.

It's basically the same weapon with some modifications to allow tactical lights, lasers, and other accessories, as I said, they do a different job then normal Infantry. The army also uses it, it's just not fielded to everyone as there is no need.

Go read some Marine Forums they'll say the same thing, they get hand me down army gear, especially body-armor, they simply don't have the budget the Army does.

The one thing the Marine Corp does over any other branch is emphasize marksmanship/fitness.

If you have a friend in the Marine Corp, you may want to start capitalizing "Marine Corp" I believe if you did that on a Marine Forum you'd be banned, Mr. I have a Marine Friend.

Marines also have ego problems and I'd take whatever they say with a grain of salt, I know a few myself. They also don't get along with Army/Infantry at all so it would be common place to talk . .. .. .. . and try to look better then the other as is often the case, true or not true.


Goto the Marine Corp website, there Motto is : "We do more with less"

Now why do you think that is?
 
It's also not just about the individual Marine, it's about the Corp as a whole.They use outdated machinery,there equipment in general is outdated planes/choppers/tanks/transports compared to the army equivalent.

Like I said, the Marine Corp simply doesn't have the budget the Army does so they sacrifice certain things.

I will say one thing, they used "White Phosphorus" brilliantly in retaking fullujah.. right after they lost control of it, which was right after the Army Airborne handed control over to the Marine Corp.

Thats a Chemical Weapon, which could be considered a "War Crime" I mean they had to completely blanket a city in a Chemical Weapon just to retake it.. Right after the Army gave control of it over.... to the Marine Corp...

People wonder where that 700,000 Civilian death toll comes from that they conveniently don't report in mainstream media, within the U.S. that is.

How many did Hitler kill again..?

;)
 
I don't know if this is why it was changed, but I would always make massive marine armies and later upgrade them to mech infantry, because you then get amphibious and march, both absolutely excellent promotions, for free. Combine it with an 'aggressive' leader and you get combat 1 too. Get a barracks + pentagon or theocracy and your units are combat III, amphibious, and march w/out a single battle. And then it only takes 12 more experience to get them to Commando promotion, my favorite :)
 
SickCycle said:
It's also not just about the individual Marine, it's about the Corp as a whole.They use outdated machinery,there equipment in general is outdated planes/choppers/tanks/transports compared to the army equivalent.

Like I said, the Marine Corp simply doesn't have the budget the Army does so they sacrifice certain things.

I will say one thing, they used "White Phosphorus" brilliantly in retaking fullujah.. right after they lost control of it, which was right after the Army Airborne handed control over to the Marine Corp.

Thats a Biological Weapon, which could be considered a "War Crime" I mean they had to completely blanket a city in a chemical weapon just to retake it.. Right after the Army gave control of it over.... to the Marine Corp...

People wonder where that 700,000 Civilian death toll comes from that they conveniently don't report in mainstream media, within the U.S. that is.

How many did Hitler kill again..?

;)
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People are wondering where you got the preposterous 700,000 number as it is complete fantasy. Stick to pretending to be an expert on military equipment, and leave your lame propaganda at home; there is no need nor desire for it on these forums.
 
SickCycle said:
People wonder where that 700,000 Civilian death toll comes from that they conveniently don't report in mainstream media, within the U.S. that is.
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Sorry for double post just had to reply this. If you had half a brain you would know that 700,000 is a big number and it would be impossible to vaporize or otherwise dispose of all evidence of them w/out press, especially embedded reporters, getting pictures. But then I guess you believe all the anti-american propaganda people are selling, it's convenient to hate the big dog :)
 
But that doesn't matter because.. Your watching the simpsons while you play civilizations and you don't really care to know anything besides what they show you on fox news.. Right?
 
I know nothing about the equipment of marines, or any other nation's equivalent of "elite infantry", but historically all nations always give the best equipment to their best soldiers, because the marginal benefit of switching to better weapons is most pronounced with the best soldiers.

What I *do* find strange is the seperate budget for marines and other armed forces. Even if so, why wouldn't your elite forces have priority in budgeting? Doesn't seem like the US respects their elite forces as much as other nations.

Especially for the US:
- They do most of the dirty and critical fighting. In most countries, regular soldiers and vehicles head an assult/defense, and elite forces are used as support and protecting the flanks. In the US, the marines ARE the spearhead (after aerial bombarding), so it's even more critical that they have everything to support them.
- the US is much shorter on volunteers than on equipment. If you think assult rifles are expansive, look at what kind of financial handouts are being given to volunteers, what resources are used to clothe and feed them. Men, especially brave men, are always more precious than weapons.

Perhaps the "marginal" benefit that I was talking about isn't true, in that new and better equipment gives a larger marginal benefit to the common soldier than the elite soldier in the case of the current US military. But I find that very, very hard to believe in the case of the US.
 
People wonder where that 700,000 Civilian death toll comes from that they conveniently don't report in mainstream media, within the U.S. that is.
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SickCycle said:
Heres your link to a WashingtonPost article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/10/AR2006101001442.html

Maybe you should wake up and smell the bodies?
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The Washington Post isn't in the US?

And the reason the Marines don't get the absolute latest in aircraft and vehicles is because the US Marines are primarily an infantry force. Bringing 70 ton tanks to a beach landing doesn't make a whole lot of sense, and the Navy is supposed to be supporting those landings.
 
SickCycle said:
People wonder where that 700,000 Civilian death toll comes from that they conveniently don't report in mainstream media, within the U.S. that is.
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According to that Washington Post article you posted, 655,000 civilians would not have died if we didn't land troops in Iraq, but that figure is a "what if", and a big one at that. Such "what if" figures are almost always biased in one way or another and they are never to be taken seriously. The figure does not include Shite and Sunni tribes warring against each other and American civilian casualties if Saddam really had WMDs pointed towards the US. The article also doesn't ever say anything about the use of white phosphorus in Fallujah and it's 10 months old, not that that matters much.

I say take your propaganda elsewhere, it's not welcome here.
 
Damn, I never knew the real figure, that's crazy.. No wonder it's taboo to say his name :D

I got a friend in the Marines and one in Recon.. Thats where I get my information.. Where do you get yours?

It's ten months old.. Sorry, I didnt know that made it irrelevant, maybe you should of been reading the news ten months ago? Would it of been relevant then?

If anything that just means it's a larger figure now.

You didn't ask for a link to Fallujah but it's no secret, why don't you go do the research yourself? Hell, you can get leaked videos the soldiers shot of it on certain websites.

They tried to suppress the footage it didn't work.

I'll give you another thing to "look up" while your at it, since you obviously have no idea what's going on in the world and most likely voted for that chimp.

There is "Depleted Uranium" in tank armor and it's used in warheads that are dropped by our planes, You know what happens when they explode or a rocket hits the tanks armor?

It sends particles of dust up in the air highly contaminated with uranium, it's toxic and radioactive, it's infecting the water, underground rivers, the land.. It's doing the same kind of things you would expect, but that's not the bad part, the bad part is our troops are on the ground breathing it in, many of them are coming back with problems breathing only having two thirds lung capacity etc, which effectively damages there careers, if they cant run they cant fight.

Cancer rates in Iraq have risen ten fold since the war started, you think thats a coincidence?

Last but not least, since you seem to be so incapable I'll also provide you to the use of White Phosphorus by the United States in Fallujah.

BBC Report: (including U.S. denial) http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4440664.stm

Video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...=22&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2

Video Confession of a Marine: (Warning:Includes Graphic Footage of a Chemical Weapon) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1124770688802666702Phosphorus)

I'm sure you could find better videos, but I don't have the time to do your research, I just did a quick search on google and nabbed what popped up first.

I mean.. The propaganda.. The United States admits too, vaguely.. after the original denial.
 
As someone once did for me, I shall do for you: Your debates outside of the game are more than welcome in the Off Topic Forum. Please join us there for all the propoganda/fact slinging that any one person can handle!

http://forums.civfanatics.com/forumdisplay.php?f=18

And by the way, marines may be the spearhead for coastal invasions, but when you need to invade a landlocked country and take an airport, you call the paratroopers. You might also notice that the city was handed over to the marines by airborne infantry.



Let's allow these nice people to get back on topic now...
 
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