When do barbarians show up?

[AutomatedTeller]

I think I remember reading somewhere that you won't get barbarians (except from a popped hut) until about 2730. is that true? Is it dependent on the settings? (ie, do raging barbs show up before roaming?) Does it depend on techs? I know that barb galleys don't show up until someone learns writing.

 

[TimBentley]

Everybody has to have a city for a camp to appear. It doesn't look like I tested much more. I don't think it's based on techs (for some reason I thought it might have been based on masonry but my results don't support that); maybe it's based on total number of cities or something like that.

 

[MAS]

Everybody has to have a city for a camp to appear. It doesn't look like I tested much more. I don't think it's based on techs (for some reason I thought it might have been based on masonry but my results don't support that); maybe it's based on total number of cities or something like that.

Well, I read somewhere you don't get barbs from goody huts if you do not have any military units.

A kind of like how you do not get settlers if you do have settlers around (or in production) but then the other way around...

I can imagine it has something to do with units.

I also remember reading horseman barb show up when 2 or more civ in the game have the tech. (same for galley's and mapmaking)

 

[TimBentley]

A barb camp will appear (whether it does this check for every time, or just the first, I don't know) when the total number of cities>=2*number of players (don't know if that counts dead players) and every living player has at least one city, (I'll go ahead and copy some stuff I learned earlier) and given sufficient space (in a spot no unit with attack or defense or borders can see, I assume) and if there are fewer camps than number of players (haven't tested what happens if a player is eliminated). A new barb unit (this may change when they start producing new stuff, i.e. horses or galleys) may appear (in one test it took four turns) when there are less than 2, 3, or 4 (for roaming, restless, raging respectively) barbs per camp (or perhaps number of players). The distinction between will and may is intentional.

 

[AutomatedTeller]

Thanks. I'm confused, though - if there are 5 players, there can only be 5 camps? Is that correct?

 

[TimBentley]

Yes .

 

[Aceman101]

Why don't barbarians show up in the modern age? With every game i play i don't see any barbarians in the modern age. I know that barbarians don't appear if the whole map is claimed and there's no fog of war left, But in this game i'm in the modern ages and there arn't any barbarians appearing. There's plenty of fog of war and unexplored terrain. And the barbarian level is restless. Do the barbarians just die out when you are in the modern age. I've also had this happen in the industrial era. I noticed that there are many barbarians in the ancient and middle ages but when I get to industrial i don't see many or sometimes even none. Then when i get to the modern ages i always see no barbarians. Do the barbarians just die off in the modern ages?

 

[AutomatedTeller]

it may be unexplored/unclaimed to you,but not to other civilizations. Trade world maps around and see if there is any unclaimed territory still.

 

[gmaharriet]

Then when i get to the modern ages i always see no barbarians. Do the barbarians just die off in the modern ages?

No. I haven't done this myself, but I've looked at the .sav files of other people who are going for a Conquest (NOT Domination) win. In order to avoid tripping a Domination victory, the AIs have to be destroyed without you taking 66% of the total territory...this means huge empty areas where barb camps will spring up even in the modern era.

Just for a chuckle, a friend of mine sent me one of his .sav files which showed 2 barb camps, each with about 25 barb warriors/horses inside, and he'd surrounded the camps with Modern Armors. Those barbs didn't last very long.

 

[Aceman101]

No. I haven't done this myself, but I've looked at the .sav files of other people who are going for a Conquest (NOT Domination) win. In order to avoid tripping a Domination victory, the AIs have to be destroyed without you taking 66% of the total territory...this means huge empty areas where barb camps will spring up even in the modern era.

So you can't take 66% of the worlds territory. And did i see wright, ALL of the AI's have to be destroyed?

Just for a chuckle, a friend of mine sent me one of his .sav files which showed 2 barb camps, each with about 25 barb warriors/horses inside, and he'd surrounded the camps with Modern Armors.

Those barbs didn't last very long.

I can believe that!

 

[gmaharriet]

So you can't take 66% of the worlds territory. And did i see wright, ALL of the AI's have to be destroyed?

A domination victory is having 66% of the world's total territory and 66% of the world's total population. A conquest victory is destroying all of the AI civs completely. If you have both victory conditions enabled and get to 66% of area and pop first, you'll trigger a domination win BEFORE destroying the last civ(s).

 

[AutomatedTeller]

For a conquest victory, yes - you must destroy all the AI's. Take all their cities, and kill any settlers they have left over. which can be a real pain if they have map making and settle some stupid one tile island...

 

[Aceman101]

A domination victory is having 66% of the world's total territory and 66% of the world's total population.

I know about domination victory but i never new you have to also have 66% of the worlds territory.

A conquest victory is destroying all of the AI civs completely. If you have both victory conditions enabled and get to 66% of area and pop first, you'll trigger a domination win BEFORE destroying the last civ(s).

Yes i have had a few conquest victories in chieftain

 

[Aceman101]

For a conquest victory, yes - you must destroy all the AI's. Take all their cities, and kill any settlers they have left over. which can be a real pain if they have map making and settle some stupid one tile island...

Yes that could be a good plan. But what happens if you disable conquest victory and destroy the all the AI's?

 

[gmaharriet]

Yes that could be a good plan. But what happens if you disable conquest victory and destroy the all the AI's?

If conquest victory is disabled, you'd still trigger a domination win when you get the minimums for territory/population. I don't think it's possible to destroy ALL of the AI's before getting a domination win. I could be wrong. Anybody???

 

[Aceman101]

If conquest victory is disabled, you'd still trigger a domination win when you get the minimums for territory/population. I don't think it's possible to destroy ALL of the AI's before getting a domination win. I could be wrong. Anybody???

So when you destroy all the AI's (and have conquest victory off) You will win by domination victory instead of conquest victory, even if you don't have 66% of the worlds territory and don't have 66% of the worlds population.

 

[Sir_Lancelot]

Why don't barbarians show up in the modern age? With every game i play i don't see any barbarians in the modern age.

One of the things I have tested involved disbanding most of my cities. It was modern age. Immediately several barbarian camps popped up in the shadows. (They always pop up in the fog.)

If conquest victory is disabled, you'd still trigger a domination win when you get the minimums for territory/population. I don't think it's possible to destroy ALL of the AI's before getting a domination win. I could be wrong. Anybody???

If you disable both conquest and domination.... what happens then if you're the only nation left?

 

[Aceman101]

One of the things I have tested involved disbanding most of my cities. It was modern age. Immediately several barbarian camps popped up in the shadows. (They always pop up in the fog.)

You just need that fog to make barbarians pop up .

If you disable both conquest and domination.... what happens then if you're the only nation left?

Either you then win Space race. Or you are the only nation and there won't be anything but barbarians .

 

[AutomatedTeller]

why will killing all the AI's trigger a domination victory? To win by domination, you have to control 66% of the land.

My guess is that if you kill all the AI and have turned off conquest, then you just don't have any other AI until you fulfill one of the other victory conditions. Worst case, at 2050 you win the game.

 

[gmaharriet]

why will killing all the AI's trigger a domination victory? To win by domination, you have to control 66% of the land.

My guess is that if you kill all the AI and have turned off conquest, then you just don't have any other AI until you fulfill one of the other victory conditions. Worst case, at 2050 you win the game.

Ok, my bad. I guess I was assuming a person would be playing a standard number of civs for a map and that killing all of the AI's would be approx 95-100% of the land area...much more than needed for domination. I suppose it's possible that you could play a large map with only 1 or 2 AI, kill them off, and then have to continue planting cities until you filled 66% of the land. The population requirement would certainly be filled when no one else was left standing.