When to build FP

[Siegmund]

When do you start building your Forbidden Palace?

After you have 8 cities, of course - but I mean in terms of techs discovered and city improvements made.

I usually build mine in a moderately-distant city, say 12-15 tiles from my capital.... in principle, what I would like to do is rush a temple, courthouse, and cathedral, then start the FP. In practice however I almost always have 'too many' cities well before I develop monotheism, often before construction... my last game I was wishing I could start the forbidden palace before I even had code of laws, but I had no choice but to wait since it'd be impossible to get any kind of progress 12 squares away without one. I also learned 'the hard way' that it's helpful to plan to put the FP in a city that already has access to fresh water ... otherwise you are either stuck at size 6 for an eternity while the palace finishes, or you have to add an aqueduct to the list of rushed improvements. (If you're already in monarchy or republic, no big deal to wait 2 more turns I guess... but if in despotism it takes some careful planning to rush several improvements in a row.)

So, experts: do you wait until you have a colosseum to start the FP or not?

 

[Sirp]

I build the FP asap. Usually fairly close to the capital, since it still has immense benefits, and it's far more important to get it online early than to get it perfectly positioned. It'll give you a great boost if you can have it online by 200AD or earlier.

As for colosseums....I almost never build them. I often don't even build cathedrals.

-Sirp.

 

[Mariusz]

Since I like to wage early wars against my neighbours, I often build FP in one of the conquered cities( of course if I'm sure it won't flip).
If during that war I get a Great Leader I always use it to rush FP.

 

[anarres]

If you are building these things for happiness, try rushing a marketplace instead. If you can get 4 or 5 luxuries you won't need anything to keep em happy while it builds.

I have to admit it's been several games since I didn't get a GL to build it with, although I am often some way towards building it already.

I agree with Sirp though, I tend these days to build the FP closer to home (about 5 to 10 tiles away), in which case the corruption is never too great and you don't need to let the city grow huge to build it.

 

[Ville]

When you know where you want it

 

[test_specimen]

I try to build it asap, but in recent games I noticed, that I still build it too late. If you see the ai rushing ahead in tech and everything else, you know what you forgot.

 

[thefrenchzulu]

I tend to build my FP the moment I can.(think it depends on map size)

I build it in my second most productive city. With good planning, I palace jump to the best opponents capital. One next to me.

I'm not going into palace jumping, there is enough posts. I do it the moment my FP is finished.

 

[china444]

I build it in the capital city of the 2nd civ I destroy.

Or sometimes the 3rd.

But NEVER in my original mainland.

 

[Babbler]

The best time to put a Forbidden Palace is as soon as possiable, mean you have it a good place. The best place to build a Forbidden Palace is somewhere aways from your capital. What I do sometimes is put It in a former capital of a (most likey) conquerd eneny. That way the old cities (or an replacements of razed cities) of the civ become perductive angin. In other words, you can "recreate" the civ under YOUR rule . Barring that just put it in a "OK" city (meaning moderate corpection)

For example, one I played as the Japanese. My naybor was France who in, three short wars, I took over all of France. It was on a L-shaped contenent with me at the bottem of the land mass. The French capital, Paris, was sort of oppisite of me. I built the FP there it trun of a conquer France into a powerhouse and within a few centeries it become on of the top 5 cities

Cool, eh?

 

[Babbler]

Does anybody know the benchmark for the FP on other maps? I know on Stantard it 8 cities, not sure of rest.

 

[Shillen]

I used to wait until my first great leader to build FP, but lately I've been building it really close to my capital and getting it done before 250AD. Then if I get a leader I'll move my palace to a more appropriate place. A lot of times you don't get a great leader for a long time and you're so much better off with a palace and fp right next to each other than having only a palace. I've also tried manually building my FP a good distance from my capital after rushing a courthouse and it just seems to take far too long. IMO you're better off having a poorly placed FP in 250AD than a good placed one in 600AD. Usually the time I need the FP the most is in the early middle ages when techs are still taking 6-15 turns to learn.

 

[Ralph-x]

I always build it in the 1st or 2nd captial I conquor, sort of feels right and is usually a quite good place.

 

[Hygro]

Originally posted by Civman36
Does anybody know the benchmark for the FP on other maps? I know on Stantard it 8 cities, not sure of rest.

Half the OCN.

thats 6 on tiny, 7(?) on small, 8 on standered, 12 on large, and 16 on huge?