Whoa, Wait a second, Microsoft isn't quite as evil...

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Microsoft Warms Up to Linux
Company is not working on its own version of the OS, but it is looking at the open-source software.

Elizabeth Montalbano, IDG News Service
Thursday, July 28, 2005

For those rabid, open-source conspiracy theorists still holding on to the popular notion that Microsoft is secretly working on its own version of the Linux operating system, Bill Hilf has some sobering news.

"The bottom line is, we're wholly, 100 percent committed to Windows and think we can do amazingly powerful things in the operating system," says Hilf, director of platform technology strategy at the Redmond, Washington-based software giant. "There's a ton of stuff we can do to innovate. We don't see that level of innovation [in Linux] that makes us say there's [anything] out there that's better than or more effective than what we can do."

Hilf, who runs Microsoft's Linux/Open Source lab, says he's heard a million varieties of the question about whether Microsoft is working on its own Linux implementation, so many that "I should write a book about them all," he joked in an interview this week.

"The conspiracy theories are ripe," Hilf says. "I've had people come up to me and tell me, 'I know that Longhorn is built on a Linux kernel.'"

Working Together

Still, Hilf acknowledges that Microsoft's commitment to Windows does not preclude the company from continuing a strategy he has led in his 19 months at the software vendor: To see how Microsoft's proprietary technologies can better interoperate with Linux and a host of other open-source software.

In fact, that is exactly what will be the focus of a discussion the long-time open-source proponent will lead at this year's upcoming Linuxworld Conference & Expo next month in San Francisco.

In a session entitled, "Managing Linux in a Mixed Environment ... at Microsoft?" Hilf, who polished his open-source evangelism skills working on Linux deployments at IBM, will talk about how he and the team at the Linux/Open Source lab run open source technologies in "the most Microsoft-centric IT environment on the planet."

"We come up with a lot of interoperability issues, trying to get these things to run," Hilf says. "We see a lot of problems other people have, and we've developed solutions for all of those."

Hilf says he also will give the Linux faithful a glimpse into what technology he and his engineers use in the lab on a day-to-day basis.

"I have a team of senior Linux and open-source people in the lab," he says. "I will take [attendees] through what we use in our lab--what operating systems, what servers, how we virtualize them, how we make them all work together, how we use Microsoft management products to make it all work together."

Dave Rosenberg, a San Francisco-based marketing consultant who is working on content for Linuxworld, says Microsoft has been experimenting for some time how they can "better deal with Linux," but the show will be the first time Hilf will discuss Microsoft's Linux interoperability efforts within the open-source community.

Indeed, Hilf says that while he was at Linuxworld last year, he did not speak on behalf of Microsoft but was an attendee like everyone else. In fact, he boasted in rather geeky fashion that he has attended every single Linuxworld in the U.S. since the show was first held in 1999. "I should get some kind of medal for that," Hilf jokes.

Showing Signs

Microsoft has shown signs lately of being extremely interested in keeping its Linux enemy close. At its Microsoft Management Summit in Las Vegas earlier this year, Microsoft Chief Executive Officer Steve Ballmer said that Microsoft's Virtual Server 2005 Service Pack 1 would support Linux-based virtual machines. He also acknowledged that Microsoft is listening to feedback from customers who want its Microsoft Operations Manager (MOM) product to support non-Windows systems such as those running Linux.

Michael Goulde, a senior analyst with Forrester Research, says Microsoft is beginning to see the need for supporting Linux in some capacity in the same way it has been offering Unix interoperability support with the Services for Unix component of Windows Server.

"Microsoft has now gotten to a point that they're accepting the fact that there's enough Linux in their customer environments that they need to interoperate with Linux in the same way they interoperated with Unix in the past," Goulde says.

Hilf says that Microsoft now has a far better understanding of how technologically diverse customer environments are than it did several years ago, and is more open-minded than ever about making sure its products interoperate with competitive ones such as Linux.

"Shockingly, my biggest surprise my first year [at the company] was just how much Microsoft as a company has been open to [open source]," he says. "The attitude is more, 'Tell me more about this,' versus, 'God, don't touch this, it's going to explode if we look at it.' Polarization is starting to be less and less."

Microsoft will continue to bolster efforts enabling software like MOM to manage a host of non-Microsoft environments, but mainly through third parties and not within its own product development, Hilf says. It is easy for third parties to build add-ons to MOM called MOM Management Packs that can manage competitive software and Microsoft likely will continue to support this kind of interoperability work rather than bake it into the product itself, Hilf says.

"It doesn't make a lot of sense for us to do it," Hilf says. "We've built tools to make management packs easy. The real interesting work has to be done by people working on the applications. [To manage an Oracle environment] you really don't want Microsoft guys doing it, you want Oracle guys doing it. This is in line with our motto to build platforms and tools that allow other people to take their intellectual property and brain power to write something specific to their application."

Uhmm....

xcl
 
All it means is that MS has finally started to realize that all the FUD they spread won't make Linux go away. And now their customers are asking them to make Windows inter-operate with other OSes better. Flat out refusing to do what your customers want is business suicide, so they are looking at the situation. Unfortunately for them, there is no way they can "embrace, extend, and extinguish" Open Source.
 
IMO Padma is right. MS is basically admitting that Linux is
a) widespread enough to be taken seriously.
b) Has not proved vulnerable to MS's usual business tactics.
 
Let's hope that Open Source will bring something revolutionary so Windows users can break free from Windows.
 
I'm wondering something as I read this...

Is the hatred of Windows purely because it's not open source, or because it's a commercial piece of software lacking features of open source software, and if the latter, would you support Windows if it had all the features of an open-source OS and more?
 
The hatred is because they want all computers to be their computers, and the fact that they make inferior software that costs lots and lots of money compapred to several Open-Source Applications that are free.

I woundn't support M$ if they had more features then Open-Source becasue Open-Source is freedom.
 
I don't hate M$, I actually think they make some good software. Believe me, after having tried Linux, I can see the value of M$. Most people are not willing to go through the hassle and flaming hoops setting up a Linux system means. The distro market is also extremely fragmented - a neophite would be quite lost as to what would be the best one to start with. Certain aspects - like no mp3 support (Fedora anyone?) or no straightforward way to set up 3d acceleration (which still doesn't work for me well) and sound mixing (something taken for granted in Windows). Freedom costs, just like everything else. But so far, I am willing to pay.

Edit: That said, I think that if you want to use your computer for text editing, programming and web surfing there is nothing better than Linux.
 
Let's put it this way:

I have two computers.

You can use the first one any way you want. Period. If you are so inclined, you can even change the *way* it works, to be better for you.

You can also use the second one any way you want, *but* with some stipulations:
  • You have to pay me to use it.
  • You can only use it the way I think you should.
  • You cannot try to figure out how it works, even if you think it could work better.
  • If I make any changes, you will have to pay me more $$ to use the new versions.
  • If I think you are trying to change the computer from the one I gave you, you will not be allowed to run the computer until I give you permission, again.
  • Any data you store on the computer is actually subject to *my* discretion. If I don't like what you are doing, I will prevent you from doing it.
  • etc.

Guess which is Linux and which is MS Windows. ;)
 
Padma said:
Let's put it this way:

I have two computers.

You can use the first one any way you want. Period. If you are so inclined, you can even change the *way* it works, to be better for you.
It doesn't mean it's going to be easy. MS hands you the stuff on a silver platter - of course - you have to pay for the silver, but some people are willing to pay and sometimes it's worth paying.
 
Aphex_Twin said:
It doesn't mean it's going to be easy. MS hands you the stuff on a silver platter - of course - you have to pay for the silver, but some people are willing to pay and sometimes it's worth paying.
Very true. I've been lucky enough to have had no prblems with my Linux installs, but I have heard some horror stories...

You either pay in cash, or you pay in sweat. :)
 
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