Why are luxuries removed?
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Acken
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What I'm saying is that it's very easy to achieve. There is a lack of strategy in the process to achieve healthiness not in whether or not you want 35health. It's mostly about waiting for virtues (making artists kings again) and spamming buildings. A spam that has very little opportunity cost. No outside influence, no battle for ressources, no trade, nothing.
In that spirit, maybe virtue paths should differ more, so you'd actually deviate more from the best production/energy bonus from Industry to get Magnasanti?
Acken
Deity
Yes and like I said these are the only choices you have to make, after that it's about waiting and/or spamming. You do not have to react to the game or find another route. These are your only options and both are easy to achieve. More so, basic health buildings have little opportunity cost. Hence why I don't like the system.
And all that comes from the hypothesis that both "strategies" are viable. Which I doubt since I have the feeling reaching positive +35 will become the new goal forcing player down a single path with 0 thoughts involved.
Edit: And it makes artists as good as ever too. Because everybody can get health buildings, only artists allows you to reach faster positive bonuses.
And all that comes from the hypothesis that both "strategies" are viable. Which I doubt since I have the feeling reaching positive +35 will become the new goal forcing player down a single path with 0 thoughts involved.
Edit: And it makes artists as good as ever too. Because everybody can get health buildings, only artists allows you to reach faster positive bonuses.
Acken
Deity
You're joking right if you think refugees allows you to do as well as artists ?
No. I'm saying that both of them contribute to more Health for your Colony in different ways. Have you tried maxxing out both? The lower food yields can make getting to 16 pop a challenge, especially if you're not pursuing Prosperity, which is a thing you can choose to do.
Artists give health through virtue acquisition.
Acken
Deity
I agree that you can chose to take poor options which seems to be your moto yes 
You may want to evaluate how much time it takes a weak 2-food to contribute to your global health in a meaningful manner.
You may want to evaluate how much time it takes a weak 2-food to contribute to your global health in a meaningful manner.
I would say about mid-game. That's about the time a non-Artist Colonist choice acquires the Virtues the Artist choice got for Health. Health-wise, both Colonists equalize at that point on the Virtue front, at which point the bigger Civ is at advantage.
Acken
Deity
What is mid game for you in turn time ?
Also you cannot just ignore the additional virtues of artists that's not how it works.
Also you cannot just ignore the additional virtues of artists that's not how it works.
Acken
Deity
If your different way to approach something makes you bad elsewhere you have to weight it in and compare to the actual benefit. What I'm saying concretely is that it takes WAY too long for refugees to make a MEANINGFUL difference in health to counterbalance the loss of virtue acquisition.
Like I said, not a colonist smackdown. If you're going that route, you'll have to weigh everything, and I don't know that either of us has played the patched game enough to make that valuation. Less food on the routes, you know. No food at all for the new cities.
Acken
Deity
Even with all things considered I'll maintain that artists are better but I can drop the subject that's fine.
Still going to maintain what I said earlier regarding health before that tangent.
but I can drop the subject that's fine.Still going to maintain what I said earlier regarding health before that tangent.
If you're never going to try to handle Health any way other than the way you like, then it's bound to be not a very interesting mechanic. I'm just pointing out that there are other ways to do it. Now, you can expect that to be worse on the whole or not, but if you never consider alternatives at all, then every game is going to be simple - even Chess.
Analogously, CivBE's military game is extremely simple if you only ever make melee units. It's not inherently simple. You're choosing to simplify it.
Analogously, CivBE's military game is extremely simple if you only ever make melee units. It's not inherently simple. You're choosing to simplify it.
Acken
Deity
Rofl. No, please just no. Don't try to put that on my unwillingness to try different stuff, that has shitall to do with my argumentation on what I dislike about health.
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