Wonder Elimination Thread

Chichen Itza (21)
Eiffel Tower (15)
Machu Picchu (9)
Notre Dame (17)
Sistine Chapel (11)
Statue of Liberty (14)
Sydney Opera House (3)
Forbidden Palace (5)
Great Library (23)
Hagia Sophia (29)
Hanging Gardens (19)
Oracle (12)
Porcelain Tower (14)

Really, a 10 food bonus in one city? It doesn't suit my play style. Also, the AI usually beats me to it, and I wouldn't waste a Great Engineer on it.
 
Chichen Itza (21)
Eiffel Tower (15)
Machu Picchu (9)
Notre Dame (17)
Sistine Chapel (11)
Statue of Liberty (15)
Sydney Opera House (2)
Forbidden Palace (6)
Great Library (23)
Hagia Sophia (29)
Hanging Gardens (19)
Oracle (12)
Porcelain Tower (15)

Here to beat the drum again for Statue of Liberty. Yeah, it comes later but it gives you +5-12 base :c5production: in all of your core cities. If they called it that in the description instead of +1 :c5production: per specialist, everyone would obsess over it. It is like an Ironworks in all your cities!

Hanging Gardens is kinda situational, really only necessary in cities with weak food sources (lots of hills, plains, desert, tundra). Plus, it contributes solidly to :c5unhappy:, making it one of the few wonders with a notable downside.
 
fmlizard2 said:
Chichen Itza (21)
Eiffel Tower (15)
Machu Picchu (9)
Notre Dame (17)
Sistine Chapel (11)
Statue of Liberty (15)
Sydney Opera House (2)
Forbidden Palace (6)
Great Library (23)
Hagia Sophia (29)
Hanging Gardens (19)
Oracle (12)
Porcelain Tower (15)

Here to beat the drum again for Statue of Liberty. Yeah, it comes later but it gives you +5-12 base :c5production: in all of your core cities. If they called it that in the description instead of +1 :c5production: per specialist, everyone would obsess over it. It is like an Ironworks in all your cities!

Hanging Gardens is kinda situational, really only necessary in cities with weak food sources (lots of hills, plains, desert, tundra). Plus, it contributes solidly to :c5unhappy:, making it one of the few wonders with a notable downside.
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The Porcelain tower should be 14 points there....
 
Chichen Itza (21)
Eiffel Tower (15)
Machu Picchu (9)
Notre Dame (17)
Sistine Chapel (11)
Statue of Liberty (15)
Sydney Opera House (2)
Forbidden Palace (6)
Great Library (23)
Hagia Sophia (29)
Hanging Gardens (18)
Oracle (12)
Porcelain Tower (12)

Same opinions I have stated the last 4+ votes.

I think I corrected the totals while adding my vote to the mix, will double check and edit.
 
Chichen Itza (21)
Eiffel Tower (15)
Machu Picchu (9)
Notre Dame (17)
Sistine Chapel (11)
Statue of Liberty (15)
Sydney Opera House (0)
Forbidden Palace (6)
Great Library (23)
Hagia Sophia (29)
Hanging Gardens (18)
Oracle (12)
Porcelain Tower (13)

Porcelain Tower is excellent when you want to abuse the weak diplomacy in the game (which I do). If you don't, then of course it's meh for you.

I find the Sydney Opera House less than optimal, and want to kill it dead.
 
fmlizard2 changed some numbers accidentally, I corrected them, because SOH is still in the race:

Chichen Itza (21)
Eiffel Tower (15)
Machu Picchu (9)
Notre Dame (17)
Sistine Chapel (11)
Statue of Liberty (15)
Sydney Opera House (1)
Forbidden Palace (5)
Great Library (23)
Hagia Sophia (29)
Hanging Gardens (18)
Oracle (12)
Porcelain Tower (13)

All votes up to Maltne's are now included, please use this list for the next vote. thanks.
 
Chichen Itza (21)
Eiffel Tower (16) +1
Machu Picchu (9)
Notre Dame (15) -2
Sistine Chapel (11)
Statue of Liberty (15)
Sydney Opera House (1)
Forbidden Palace (5)
Great Library (23)
Hagia Sophia (29)
Hanging Gardens (18)
Oracle (12)
Porcelain Tower (13)

By the time you produce Eiffel Tower, you're always going to have at least 10 policies selections made at that point in the game. This means at an absolute minimum, it's as good as Notre Dame and better than Forbidden Palace. For a culture victory game, one can easily get 15 happiness out of this wonder when it rolls out. This wonder has saved by bacon during more than one conquering spree when I couldn't raze captured cities fast enough to stay happy without completely stalling my advance.

Notre Dame gets dinged for not being Eiffel Tower, and for being boring. Forbidden Palace works well with wide, well-fed empires; ET is good in general but better in small culture-focused empires. Notre Dame is okay for both, but I can't see a situation where it would beat out both of the other happiness wonders in effectiveness.
 
Chichen Itza (21)
Eiffel Tower (16)
Machu Picchu (9)
Notre Dame (15)
Sistine Chapel (11)
Statue of Liberty (15)
Sydney Opera House (-1) -2
Forbidden Palace (5)
Great Library (24) +1
Hagia Sophia (29)
Hanging Gardens (18)
Oracle (12)
Porcelain Tower (13)

This time the SOH should stay dead!

GL is the ur wonder that allows you to prosper from the start and get all the rest so to my mind it's #1.
 
Chichen Itza (21)
Eiffel Tower (16)
Machu Picchu (9)
Notre Dame (15)
Sistine Chapel (11)
Statue of Liberty (15)
Forbidden Palace (6)
Great Library (24)
Hagia Sophia (29)
Hanging Gardens (18)
Oracle (12)
Porcelain Tower (11)

FP - Scaling Happines wonder
PT - too less effect for a wide empire
 
Chichen Itza (21)
Eiffel Tower (16)
Machu Picchu (7) -2]
Notre Dame (15)
Sistine Chapel (12) +1
Statue of Liberty (15)
Forbidden Palace (6)
Great Library (24)
Hagia Sophia (29)
Hanging Gardens (18)
Oracle (12)
Porcelain Tower (11)

Sistine Chapel might be the single best Culture victory wonder in the game. Macchu's gold is ok, but I could theoretically make more gold using the hammer cost on markets.
 
Chichen Itza (21)
Eiffel Tower (16)
Machu Picchu (5) -2
Notre Dame (15)
Sistine Chapel (12)
Statue of Liberty (15)
Forbidden Palace (6)
Great Library (24)
Hagia Sophia (29)
Hanging Gardens (18)
Oracle (12)
Porcelain Tower (12) +1

The mountain requirement for Picchu is the nail in the coffin of a wonder that doesn't really effect my small empire's economy in a meaningful way. Porcelain tower gives you a free tech and makes RAs much better.
 
Chichen Itza (21)
Eiffel Tower (16)
Machu Picchu (5)
Notre Dame (15)
Sistine Chapel (12)
Statue of Liberty (15)
Forbidden Palace (6)
Great Library (24)
Hagia Sophia (29)
Hanging Gardens (19)
Oracle (12)
Porcelain Tower (10)

(+) Hanging Gardens : 5 Maritime City State food bonuses in the capital for life.

(-) Porcelain Tower : A good wonder, but the others on the list are more worthy. Great Scientist points are the easiest to generate as the 2 slot building is very inexpensive compared to any other specialist building. I don't abuse RA's on Emporer level and have no problems staying even or ahead.
 
Chichen Itza (22)
Eiffel Tower (16)
Machu Picchu (3)
Notre Dame (15)
Sistine Chapel (12)
Statue of Liberty (15)
Forbidden Palace (6)
Great Library (24)
Hagia Sophia (29)
Hanging Gardens (19)
Oracle (12)
Porcelain Tower (10)

MP is too situational; CI is the gift that keeps on giving.
 
Chichen Itza (22)
Eiffel Tower (16)
Machu Picchu (3)
Notre Dame (15)
Sistine Chapel (12)
Statue of Liberty (15)
Forbidden Palace (7)
Great Library (24)
Hagia Sophia (29)
Hanging Gardens (19)
Oracle (12)
Porcelain Tower (8)

FP - Scaling Happines wonder
PT - too less effect for a wide empire
 
Chichen Itza (22)
Eiffel Tower (16)
Machu Picchu (3)
Notre Dame (15)
Sistine Chapel (12)
Statue of Liberty (15)
Forbidden Palace (8) +1
Great Library (24)
Hagia Sophia (29)
Hanging Gardens (17) -2
Oracle (12)
Porcelain Tower (8)

FP- A lot of times the single best wonder there is (HS is better because it = HS+FP)

HG- Who needs extra food?
 
Chichen Itza (22)
Eiffel Tower (16)
Machu Picchu (3)
Notre Dame (15)
Sistine Chapel (12)
Statue of Liberty (15)
Forbidden Palace (8)
Great Library (24)
Hagia Sophia (29)
Hanging Gardens (18)
Oracle (12)
Porcelain Tower (6)

(+) Hanging Gardens : With tradition social policy it is a great wonder. 11.5 food lets you work 5.75 hills that will allow you to win many other wonder races, or build a military quicker, or out tech your neighbor. The flexibility of 10+ food puts your civ on the road to dominance in most any VC you choose.

(-) Porcelain Tower : 25% more of a tech on RA's is hardly worth it when this wonder competes with greats like HS and ND. Only in the long run can it catch up to the power of those two wonders, and typically the game has been decided by the time it starts to pay off.
 
Chichen Itza (22)
Eiffel Tower (16)
Machu Picchu (1)
Notre Dame (15)
Sistine Chapel (12)
Statue of Liberty (15)
Forbidden Palace (8)
Great Library (24)
Hagia Sophia (29)
Hanging Gardens (18)
Oracle (13)
Porcelain Tower (6)

Oracle->early Liberty termination->GE->HS->GE->Notre Dame->Q.E.D.
 
Chichen Itza (22)
Eiffel Tower (16)
Machu Picchu (0)
Notre Dame (15)
Sistine Chapel (12)
Statue of Liberty (15)
Forbidden Palace (8)
Great Library (24)
Hagia Sophia (29)
Hanging Gardens (18)
Oracle (13)
Porcelain Tower (7)

PT - Doesn't deserve to be near last on this list. One of the best.
MP - Buh bye. Never seem to build it.
 
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