Wonder Elimination Thread

Bezurn has me convinced.

Rule Change

This will never get finished under the current system.

The votes are now -3, +1

Chichen Itza (22)
Eiffel Tower (16)
Notre Dame (15)
Sistine Chapel (12)
Statue of Liberty (15)
Forbidden Palace (5) -3
Great Library (24)
Hagia Sophia (30) +1
Hanging Gardens (18)
Oracle (13)
Porcelain Tower (7)

FP doesn't fit my playstyle, I usually have small empires.

Hagia Sophia is a free wonder, technology or something else. It is the wonder that best fits any play style and is better than any other wonder because it can be used to build any wonder you want. The +25% GP production is also great.

We're nearly at the top 10 :)
 
Chichen Itza (22)
Eiffel Tower (16)
Notre Dame (15)
Sistine Chapel (12)
Statue of Liberty (15)
Forbidden Palace (6)
Great Library (24)
Hagia Sophia (30)
Hanging Gardens (18)
Oracle (10)
Porcelain Tower (7)

FP best Happiness wonder after ET.
Oracle tiniest effect from the remaining wonders.
 
Chichen Itza (22)
Eiffel Tower (16)
Notre Dame (15)
Sistine Chapel (12)
Statue of Liberty (15)
Forbidden Palace (3)
Great Library (24)
Hagia Sophia (30)
Hanging Gardens (18)
Oracle (10)
Porcelain Tower (8)

+Porcelain Twoer for the Great Scientist advantage, and
-Forbidden Palace because well, it's about to get knocked out. :P
 
Chichen Itza (22)
Eiffel Tower (16)
Notre Dame (15)
Sistine Chapel (12)
Statue of Liberty (15)
Forbidden Palace (0):deadhorse:
Great Library (24)
Hagia Sophia (30)
Hanging Gardens (18)
Oracle (11)
Porcelain Tower (8)

-Forbidden Palace ? With the -10% unhappiness bonus, you need a 40 citizen empire to reach the equivalent of one luxury bonus !:cry:
-Oracle :
1) It is on the Development path, on the same path as HS and Notre Dame
2) You finish liberty first, you have Great Inge first, you build the next wonder first (HS)
3) It save you one policy : it has a huge snowball effect.
4) Quite cheap and nobody rush it (at least in mp)
 
omg, you have killed FP :(, maybe I should have voted yesterday ....

it's awesome for wide empire with some hundreds or thousands of pops.

Chichen Itza (22)
Eiffel Tower (16)
Notre Dame (15)
Sistine Chapel (12)
Statue of Liberty (16)
Great Library (24)
Hagia Sophia (30)
Hanging Gardens (18)
Oracle (11)
Porcelain Tower (5)

SoL, not only, that it is even better than a SoJ ( yeah, d3 will come soon ), it is just an huge production bonus and still at a time, where it can make a huge different. With Freedom - SP it becomes TEH Wonder in a wide empire.

PT - to less effect in a wide empire
 
First vote

Chichen Itza (22)
Eiffel Tower (16)
Notre Dame (15)
Sistine Chapel (9) -3
Statue of Liberty (16)
Great Library (24)
Hagia Sophia (31) +1
Hanging Gardens (18)
Oracle (11)
Porcelain Tower (5)

HS is 2 in 1 wonder absolute best.
SC is good but not good enough even for culture games. (for 4CC it is actually very good, but that is too specific)
 
Chichen Itza (22)
Eiffel Tower (16)
Notre Dame (15)
Sistine Chapel (6) -3
Statue of Liberty (16)
Great Library (24)
Hagia Sophia (31)
Hanging Gardens (18)
Oracle (11)
Porcelain Tower (6) +1


Don't kill PT yet. There are still worse wonders in the list.

Sistine chapel is a nice wonder but it is not worth the effort to build it in non-culture games. Always pleasure to capture it though.
 
Chichen Itza (22)
Eiffel Tower (16)
Notre Dame (15)
Sistine Chapel (3) -3
Statue of Liberty (16)
Great Library (24)
Hagia Sophia (31)
Hanging Gardens (18)
Oracle (12) + 1
Porcelain Tower (6)

As far as wonders go, the SC is not a very flexible wonder. If you're building it, you are most certainly going for a cultural victory; if not, you've got more important things to go after.

As for the Oracle, who can argue with a free SP? You get a step-up in the early game, and can more easily round up the early policies so you can go after the late ones.
 
We're finally at the top 10!

Chichen Itza (22)
Eiffel Tower (16)
Notre Dame (15)
Sistine Chapel (3)
Statue of Liberty (13) -3
Great Library (24)
Hagia Sophia (31)
Hanging Gardens (19) +1
Oracle (12)
Porcelain Tower (6)

I would vote down Chapel, but I don't want to kill it. Statue of Liberty will only give you a few extra production, if any, for most cities. You have to have lots of specialists and cities for it to be as strong as the other wonders remaining, which doesn't suit my playstyle (I like limiting my specialists to usually only my victory type; a maximum of 5 specialists is +5 production, nothing much to shout about).

Hanging Gardens - Great for science, great for specialists, great for production, great for gold.
 
I should have been voting every day too. I cannot believe people were so dumb as to eliminate the FP. The forbidden palace is AT WORST the 5th best wonder. Is this thread full of a bunch of cultural victory players who play with 4 cities? Up until this point I have mostly been agreeing with people, but now that we are in the top 10 I am really starting to see some flaws in people's choices.

Chichen Itza (22)
Eiffel Tower (16)
Notre Dame (15)
Sistine Chapel (3)
Statue of Liberty (13)
Great Library (24)
Hagia Sophia (31)
Hanging Gardens (16) -3
Oracle (12)
Porcelain Tower (7) +1

The list should be:
First Tier
HS: no question this is the best wonder since it is a free wonder!
Second Tier (Happiness is THE limiting resource in the game, everything else is fungible
FP: single greatest happiness source in the game most games
CI: happiness + longer golden ages
ET: happiness
ND: happiness
Third Tier (wonders that help you win)
GL: Science is a little hard to come by
PT: Science is a little hard to come by
SL: A ton of production
O: a free policy for 90% of the game?
SC: Indispensable for cultural victories
Fourth Tier
HG: Food is not hard to come by and in some cases is borderline harmful (because it eats up happiness you need elsewhere).
A lot of other wonders that have been eliminated.
Fifth Tier
The crappy wonders eliminated on the first 2 pages.
 
Chichen Itza (22)
Eiffel Tower (16)
Notre Dame (15)
Sistine Chapel (3)
Statue of Liberty (10)
Great Library (24)
Hagia Sophia (31)
Hanging Gardens (16)
Oracle (12)
Porcelain Tower (8)

Research is arguably the most important thing in the game, any wonders for it can bevery useful
Just spam research agreements
+ 1 :c5production: per specialist is pretty useless...
 
Chichen Itza (22)
Eiffel Tower (16)
Notre Dame (15)
Sistine Chapel (0)
Statue of Liberty (11)
Great Library (24)
Hagia Sophia (31)
Hanging Gardens (16)
Oracle (12)
Porcelain Tower (8)

I would love Sistine Chapel a lot more if it gave +25% :c5culture: on city state culture as well. I tend to get a lot more from allies than from actual buildings. You have to build an awful lot of stuff to make Sistine Chapel powerful.

Hang in there, Statue of Liberty. People will see how good your +5-12 :c5production: in every city is soon enough. The only real can't miss wonder for any playstyle post-Renaissance.
 
Research is important of course , it's civilization ;), but not the most important. What helps me techs, when I can't benefit of them due a lack of production. The most important is production for everything. With a high production I have also buildings to tech faster, to build city and map infrastructure faster and to build an army to protect the empire. But this also changes over the time. While at begin, research is far more important for the basic technologies and abilities, it changes at medieval ( Civil Service ). At that point high production becomes far more important.
GL is excellent, PT is just too late, to have a big impact in a wide empire. And SoL is for me the most important wonder, because I have so many specialists normally already when built.

Playstyle (, but plz also calc some scaling wonders )

And @ Bec,
we are here to vote, how the list is ;), not how you think, the list should be and to respect the other peoples choices.

to HG,
HG is great, if your city has the potential in the near land to become a production superhouse. Indeed 10 Food is nothing, later in the game. But at the begin it equals 10 farms, 10 farmers could work for hammers.

However, maybe it is also not possible to compare wonders with a one time effect with wonders, which scales over the time and by the map size.
 
NicTeos said:
And @ Bec,
we are here to vote, how the list is ;), not how you think, the list should be and to respect the other peoples choices.
Click to expand...
Oh I know :) I was just appalled at the FP being 11th! So silly. For most playstyles it is the best non-HS wonder, and the HS is broken.
 
Eiffel Tower (16)
Notre Dame (15)
Great Library (24)
Hagia Sophia (31)
Hanging Gardens (13)
Oracle (12)
Porcelain Tower (9)

PT is amazing when exploited.
Food is meh.
 
One thing I think people should think about when voting these last few - consider the opportunity cost when a wonder comes available. Stuff like Hanging Gardens and Porcelain Tower and Oracle and all that come when the build options out there are a massive free-for-all and you really have to make some tough choices.

In other words, on a higher level, building the Hanging Gardens means you won't get Chichen Itza or Hagia Sophia, for example. Or you might fall woefully behind in infrastructure spending tons of turns on a single wonder. For later wonders, this is less the case.

I think this should be a factor weighted in favor of some mid and later wonders because you don't have to make so many sacrifices to build them.
 
Chichen Itza (22)
Eiffel Tower (16)
Notre Dame (15)
Statue of Liberty (8)
Great Library (24)
Hagia Sophia (31)
Hanging Gardens (16)
Oracle (12)
Porcelain Tower (9)
SoL bonus is good, but nothing compared most of the other wonders left. Porcelain tower is a lifesaver for catching up in tech.
 
well, hasire ignored maeltne's voting, maybe because maeltne killed 2 wonder while copying ...

with maeltne's voting it would be now

Chichen Itza (22)
Eiffel Tower (16)
Notre Dame (15)
Statue of Liberty (8)
Great Library (24)
Hagia Sophia (31)
Hanging Gardens (13)
Oracle (12)
Porcelain Tower (10)
 
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