Wonders for Civ Leader Pass / Civ 7

[Brew God]

Hello Fellow Civ 6 Fans,

Which new Wonders would you like to see included in the Leader Pass and or the next generation of Civ 7.

Like the Panama Canal, I would like to see the Chunnel (Train from London to Paris) to be adapted to connect to islands or land masses say 10 hexes away.
Grand Canyon

Thoughts?

Cheers

Brew God

 

[Evie]

10 hexes away isn't the chunnel, it's a trans-oceanic tunnel from Newfoundland to Ireland.

 

[Noble Zarkon]

it's a trans-oceanic tunnel from Newfoundland to Ireland

Best not to think too deeply about scale in Civ or your head will explode!!

 

[Evie]

I mean, yes, but the point was, a ten tile transoceanic walk path is very, very, very long no matter how you spin it.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

I don't believe we are getting any new wonders at all, at least for the leaders pass. However, getting Ludwig II without getting Neuschwanstein feels like a missed opportunity.

 

[Zaarin]

The fact that Civ6 is finishing with no Notre Dame or any gothic cathedral is a crime.

 

[pineappledan]

The Arch of Ctesiphon/Taq Kasra has never been in a game before. I think that would be a good one.

 

[Zaarin]

The Arch of Ctesiphon/Taq Kasra has never been in a game before. I think that would be a good one.

I'd also enjoy seeing Naqsh-e Rustam.

 

[Boris Gudenuf]

I've got a number of gripes and missed opportunities with Wonders that they could correct to make Civ VII a happier experience:

The Great Dam of Marib - what the Great Bath should have been: a 1900 foot long earth and stone dam for irrigation and general water control, built in the Ancient era (around 1700 BCE): This will control your rivers, not a foot bath probably used for purification before entering a temple.

Colossus (Ho Kolossos) - for once, just once, could they please get this right: it had Nothing to do with trade, or harbors, or ships, or even floating: it was a Thank You Gift to the God Helios, for helping deliver the city of Rhodos from a seige. Its effects should related to Defending the City or Construction - Engineering (it was a very advanced structure, using an iron frame around an artificial stone pillar, covered with brass/bronze skin which included some of the largest lost wax castings made to that date)

Chankillo Astronomical Complex - a Native American Wonder that is not Mesoamerican or Macchu Piccu!! A solar calendar/temple/observatory on the coast of Peru that could precisely show equinoxes and solstices and solar dates throughout the year: a Classical (built around 250 - 200 BCE) Stonehenge.

Pantheon (Pantheum) - the Temple of All the Gods, built in Rome around 126 CE, the world's largest free-standing unreinforced concrete dome for 2000 years: could be a Construction/Engineering OR Religious Wonder - or both, because it not only served all the Roman Gods, but was converted into a Christian church 500 years later.

Temple of Kukulcan - what the game keeps mistakenly calling "Chichen Itza" - which is the city it's in, NOT the temple/throne room. This is like calling Notre Dame de Paris just "Paris" and thinking you can get away with it.

House of Wisdom (Bayt-al-Hikmah) - the Abbasid equivalent of the Great Library: the center of the translation movement rendering into Arabic from everywhere: India, Persia, Europe, Byzantium, etc.

Grand Bazaar (Buyuk Carsi, or Bezzazistan-i-Cedid) - one of the largest and oldest covered markets in the world: 4000 shops (take that, Mall of America!) so many superlatives it's a crime it hasn't been the great Commercial/Trade/Gold Wonder of the mid-game.

Smithsonian Institution. - the Universal Museum if ever there was one: 154,000,000 exhibit items, 19 different museums, 21 libraries, 9 research centers on subjects from natural history to art, ethnology and aerospace.

Pasteur Institute (Institut Pasteur) - one of the foremost biomedical research centers in the world against infectious diseases. IF the game ever adds plague as a natural disaster, this Wonder has to be in the game.

 

[Zaarin]

The Great Dam of Marib - what the Great Bath should have been: a 1900 foot long earth and stone dam for irrigation and general water control, built in the Ancient era (around 1700 BCE): This will control your rivers, not a foot bath probably used for purification before entering a temple.

Its breaking is also speculated to have contributed to the decline of Christianity in the Arabian Peninsula on the eve of the rise of Islam.

 

[Lonecat Nekophrodite]

I've got a number of gripes and missed opportunities with Wonders that they could correct to make Civ VII a happier experience:

The Great Dam of Marib - what the Great Bath should have been: a 1900 foot long earth and stone dam for irrigation and general water control, built in the Ancient era (around 1700 BCE): This will control your rivers, not a foot bath probably used for purification before entering a temple.

Colossus (Ho Kolossos) - for once, just once, could they please get this right: it had Nothing to do with trade, or harbors, or ships, or even floating: it was a Thank You Gift to the God Helios, for helping deliver the city of Rhodos from a seige. Its effects should related to Defending the City or Construction - Engineering (it was a very advanced structure, using an iron frame around an artificial stone pillar, covered with brass/bronze skin which included some of the largest lost wax castings made to that date)

Chankillo Astronomical Complex - a Native American Wonder that is not Mesoamerican or Macchu Piccu!! A solar calendar/temple/observatory on the coast of Peru that could precisely show equinoxes and solstices and solar dates throughout the year: a Classical (built around 250 - 200 BCE) Stonehenge.

Pantheon (Pantheum) - the Temple of All the Gods, built in Rome around 126 CE, the world's largest free-standing unreinforced concrete dome for 2000 years: could be a Construction/Engineering OR Religious Wonder - or both, because it not only served all the Roman Gods, but was converted into a Christian church 500 years later.

Temple of Kukulcan - what the game keeps mistakenly calling "Chichen Itza" - which is the city it's in, NOT the temple/throne room. This is like calling Notre Dame de Paris just "Paris" and thinking you can get away with it.

House of Wisdom (Bayt-al-Hikmah) - the Abbasid equivalent of the Great Library: the center of the translation movement rendering into Arabic from everywhere: India, Persia, Europe, Byzantium, etc.

Grand Bazaar (Buyuk Carsi, or Bezzazistan-i-Cedid) - one of the largest and oldest covered markets in the world: 4000 shops (take that, Mall of America!) so many superlatives it's a crime it hasn't been the great Commercial/Trade/Gold Wonder of the mid-game.

Smithsonian Institution. - the Universal Museum if ever there was one: 154,000,000 exhibit items, 19 different museums, 21 libraries, 9 research centers on subjects from natural history to art, ethnology and aerospace.

Pasteur Institute (Institut Pasteur) - one of the foremost biomedical research centers in the world against infectious diseases. IF the game ever adds plague as a natural disaster, this Wonder has to be in the game.

1. The Great Dam is Yemeni work. does it associated to The Great Bath?
2. And is Colossus graphic representations in Civ6 correct ones compared to astriding Colossus in previous games?
And why hadn't it been rebuilt or repaired after a knee crack damage in its first 50 years?
I don't understand why F'xis assocaited Colossos of Rhodes with commerce prosperity? it is Victory Monument like a 'Sky thrusting Bayonet Obelisk' in Bangkok that to commemorate Siamese (Thai) Victory over Indochine Francaisse in 1940-1940 (Just before Pearl Harbor Dengeki) and ALSO to commemorate the People's Party Revolutionary achievements that old Absolute Monarchy of Siam didn't bother to do. (A victory over 'European Nemesis of France' which Old Regime could do nothing but to subit itself to their extortions)
3. Is Chankillo a name of Macchu Picchu?
4. Should Pantheon be a placce that rewarded its owner with Prophet once finished? and shouldn't The Stonehenge do that anymore? (And did Druids ever visit this place? why did Stonehenge associated with Druids?)
5. What should House of Wisdom do if it is a redundant to Great Library of Alexandria? How to fix Great Library actually?
6. Why Miss Institut Pasteur? This is MODERN ERA 'Wonder' that
- Only GP Louis Pasteur can build it.. AFTER this character spent all special ability. a player civ earned exclusive rights to build it (AND NO ONE ELSE enter the race)

 

[Zaarin]

why did Stonehenge associated with Druids?

By sheer coincidence, the majority (but by no means all) of the great Northern European megaliths happen to be in areas that were once inhabited by Celts (the menhirs in Brittany, Tara and Newgrange and the like in Ireland, Stonehenge in what was historically the land of the Celtic Britons) so it was wrongly concluded that the Celts built them. The Celts certainly used them--Tara and Newgrange held religious and political significance in pre-Christian Ireland and Stonehenge probably did for the British Druids as well--but they were built by the Pre-Celtic Megalith Builders of the Neolithic and Bronze Age.

 

[Lonecat Nekophrodite]

^ Should Stonehenge be the wonder that rewarded an owner with a prophet once he/she finished building one?

 

[Zaarin]

^ Should Stonehenge be the wonder that rewarded an owner with a prophet once he/she finished building one?

Historically it doesn't make a lot of sense, but in a gameplay sense you want a very early wonder to justify risk-versus-reward--and Stonehenge is the earliest wonder in the game. (Personally I think Civ7 needs a new category of Prehistoric Manmade Wonders that are already on the map like Natural Wonders to represent things like Stonehenge, Tara, Newgrange, Göbekli Tepe, and so forth. Visually, Paititi is already doing something like that.)

 

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4. Should Pantheon be a placce that rewarded its owner with Prophet once finished? and shouldn't The Stonehenge do that anymore? (And did Druids ever visit this place? why did Stonehenge associated with Druids?)
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I thought it was because of Spinal Tap.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

The Great Dam of Marib - what the Great Bath should have been: a 1900 foot long earth and stone dam for irrigation and general water control, built in the Ancient era (around 1700 BCE): This will control your rivers, not a foot bath probably used for purification before entering a temple.

It's a shame that we haven't got a single Dam wonder.

Colossus (Ho Kolossos) - for once, just once, could they please get this right: it had Nothing to do with trade, or harbors, or ships, or even floating: it was a Thank You Gift to the God Helios, for helping deliver the city of Rhodos from a seige. Its effects should related to Defending the City or Construction - Engineering (it was a very advanced structure, using an iron frame around an artificial stone pillar, covered with brass/bronze skin which included some of the largest lost wax castings made to that date)

A combat bonus when defending, similar to how Ha Long Bay works, would be cool.

Pantheon (Pantheum) - the Temple of All the Gods, built in Rome around 126 CE, the world's largest free-standing unreinforced concrete dome for 2000 years: could be a Construction/Engineering OR Religious Wonder - or both, because it not only served all the Roman Gods, but was converted into a Christian church 500 years later.

Not sure if it would be doable in the game, but I think it would be interesting that if you built the Pantheon you could get a choice of a second pantheon bellief.

Grand Bazaar (Buyuk Carsi, or Bezzazistan-i-Cedid) - one of the largest and oldest covered markets in the world: 4000 shops (take that, Mall of America!) so many superlatives it's a crime it hasn't been the great Commercial/Trade/Gold Wonder of the mid-game.

I mean technically it is in the game as the Ottomans unique building, even though it doesn't look very grand, and you can build multiple of them.

 

[Zaarin]

Not sure if it would be doable in the game, but I think it would be interesting that if you built the Pantheon you could get a choice of a second pantheon bellief.

Since the Roman MO was to get shrines to everyone's gods, it might be kind of neat if the Pantheon granted the pantheon bonus of every civ who has sent you a delegation or embassy or whose city you've conquered.

I mean technically it is in the game as the Ottomans unique building, even though it doesn't look very grand, and you can build multiple of them.

IMO Civ7 needs to do away with unique buildings. In a game with unstacked cities, they're just boring compared to unique improvements and unique districts that markedly visually change the look of a civ's map.

 

[Phrozen]

I've got a number of gripes and missed opportunities with Wonders that they could correct to make Civ VII a happier experience:

The Great Dam of Marib - what the Great Bath should have been: a 1900 foot long earth and stone dam for irrigation and general water control, built in the Ancient era (around 1700 BCE): This will control your rivers, not a foot bath probably used for purification before entering a temple.

Colossus (Ho Kolossos) - for once, just once, could they please get this right: it had Nothing to do with trade, or harbors, or ships, or even floating: it was a Thank You Gift to the God Helios, for helping deliver the city of Rhodos from a seige. Its effects should related to Defending the City or Construction - Engineering (it was a very advanced structure, using an iron frame around an artificial stone pillar, covered with brass/bronze skin which included some of the largest lost wax castings made to that date)

Chankillo Astronomical Complex - a Native American Wonder that is not Mesoamerican or Macchu Piccu!! A solar calendar/temple/observatory on the coast of Peru that could precisely show equinoxes and solstices and solar dates throughout the year: a Classical (built around 250 - 200 BCE) Stonehenge.

Pantheon (Pantheum) - the Temple of All the Gods, built in Rome around 126 CE, the world's largest free-standing unreinforced concrete dome for 2000 years: could be a Construction/Engineering OR Religious Wonder - or both, because it not only served all the Roman Gods, but was converted into a Christian church 500 years later.

Temple of Kukulcan - what the game keeps mistakenly calling "Chichen Itza" - which is the city it's in, NOT the temple/throne room. This is like calling Notre Dame de Paris just "Paris" and thinking you can get away with it.

House of Wisdom (Bayt-al-Hikmah) - the Abbasid equivalent of the Great Library: the center of the translation movement rendering into Arabic from everywhere: India, Persia, Europe, Byzantium, etc.

Grand Bazaar (Buyuk Carsi, or Bezzazistan-i-Cedid) - one of the largest and oldest covered markets in the world: 4000 shops (take that, Mall of America!) so many superlatives it's a crime it hasn't been the great Commercial/Trade/Gold Wonder of the mid-game.

Smithsonian Institution. - the Universal Museum if ever there was one: 154,000,000 exhibit items, 19 different museums, 21 libraries, 9 research centers on subjects from natural history to art, ethnology and aerospace.

Pasteur Institute (Institut Pasteur) - one of the foremost biomedical research centers in the world against infectious diseases. IF the game ever adds plague as a natural disaster, this Wonder has to be in the game.

I would put in Huaca del Sol as it was the largest man made structure in the Americas until the Spanish destroyed most of it treasure hunting. Gate of the Sun could be used as well as a very early wonder.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

IMO Civ7 needs to do away with unique buildings. In a game with unstacked cities, they're just boring compared to unique improvements and unique districts that markedly visually change the look of a civ's map.

I mean some are pretty good, particularly the unique university replacements we've gotten and the Marae and the Prasat off the top of my head. I think they just need to make most of them stronger and synergize well with the rest of the civ abilities. I'm looking forward to see what they do with Varangian Harald and hope he synergizes well with the Stave Church.

Though if you are talking about visually boring well maybe unique buildings could change the visual look of the district that they are built in?

 

[Zaarin]

I mean some are pretty good, particularly the unique university replacements we've gotten and the Marae and the Prasat off the top of my head. I think they just need to make most of them stronger and synergize well with the rest of the civ abilities. I'm looking forward to see what they do with Varangian Harald and hope he synergizes well with the Stave Church.

Though if you are talking about visually boring well maybe unique buildings could change the visual look of the district that they are built in?

Yeah, it's more about their lack of visual distinctness than their game strength. As for changing the visual look of the district, I'm hoping that'll be something all civs have in Civ7--all districts match the architectural style of the civ, with unique districts being over-the-top unique like the Cothon and Suguba. If unique buildings return, though, they do need to find some way to make them more visually interesting.