Terrance888
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I'm still a Teenager.
Also, I started TerraNES when I was 14.
Also, I started TerraNES when I was 14.
And it was loads of fun. And i was way beyond my 20'sI'm still a Teenager.
Also, I started TerraNES when I was 14.
Which we were. They still died while we were teenagers...
la·zy adjective \ˈlā-zē\Laziness? Or hating that work? Two different things. So which one is it?
"Let's define this enterprise in such a way as that anything can be construed as being one including every RPG and boardgame ever created."It's NES. A NES doesn't have to have players play whole nations through the ages. There are so many kinds of NESes, any story-based game would be NES (and even some boardgame NESes with no story).
Enjoy continuing to look, bro. I'll enjoy doing things I enjoy.You aren't interested in it. Ok. IF you want to mod, find the game you want to mod. It isn't simple, I'm still looking for mine for years, but it's possible.
scam noun \ˈskam\It may cause harm, yes, but if it isn't deliberate or malicious it isn't a scam. I want you to mod, which will make you spend much time, because I want to play in more NESes. Am I scamming you?
Yeah, but I'd rather this forum not exist by and for teenagers alone. Which is sort of the fear I alluded to above -- if we restrict moderating to "people with the spare time," one could reasonably extrapolate that this means "people in high school." While some people mod reasonably well in high school (perhaps including myself; definitely including Terrance), most do not, and they (and former I) were definitely several cuts below our college selves. Most people, I think, have the time to invest in playing when they grow older; I'm not sure that they have the time to invest in moderating. This might lead to a forum of NESes run by teenagers for an older audience, which would not be healthy -- it's already a little uncomfortable for me that people know quite a bit more about certain elements of the stuff that I'm modeling than I do; I can't imagine how someone with only an AP World History level of background would feel.
lol. I'm 27. And yes that is those statements point usually. How long ago was it anyway?Wait, you're that old?
Wow, that makes certain statements magnitudes more creepy. >.>
I'm sure we have room for both teenagery NESes as well as adult ones.
"not liking to work hard or to be active" - does that mean yo fail at EVERYTHING that requires hard work? (I doubt that) Because if it is only moding, than it isn't laziness, it's the moding.la·zy adjective \ˈlā-zē\
: not liking to work hard or to be active
: not having much activity : causing people to feel that they do not want to be active
: moving slowly
"Let's define this enterprise in such a way as that anything can be construed as being one including every RPG and boardgame ever created."
ChessNES: Will you be a pawn, or a king? Coming 2015!
Enjoy continuing to look, bro. I'll enjoy doing things I enjoy.
scam noun \ˈskam\
: a dishonest way to make money by deceiving people
: a fraudulent or deceptive act or operation <an insurance scam>
And no, you're interested in manipulating me into wasting both your time and mine, so I assume you're some sort of sadomasochist.
You missed the point of my post. I'm not worried about teenagers running NESes. I'm worried that no one but teenagers will ever have the time to run them.
You missed the point of my post. I'm not worried about teenagers running NESes. I'm worried that no one but teenagers will ever have the time to run them.
Most things. I'm not really interested in discussing my psychology and life history with you."not liking to work hard or to be active" - does that mean yo fail at EVERYTHING that requires hard work? (I doubt that) Because if it is only moding, than it isn't laziness, it's the moding.
No, I just entirely reject the definition.Yes, NESing is very widely defined. Are you shocked?
There is an implicit and unspoken social contract undertaken when a game begins that if the players are involved the mod will be too, and vice versa. When one side or the other fails, that's a breach of trust in that contract, and of that contract itself. Some people will claim a moderator doesn't owe players anything, and vice versa, which is so much crap as otherwise people wouldn't get nearly so upset about games ending or people not sending orders. It's very clearly a two-way street, it's just not spelled out officially most of the time."a fraudulent or deceptive act" - but it isn't. You aren't being deceptive or fraudulent. You aren't MEANING to take away our time and effort only to kill the NES. I hope.
understandable. Don't think you are the only one who feels that way (studying to the test on Thursday or debate stuff on the NES forum? Hmmmm). I still doubt it. You always seemed rather successful in education matters to me.Most things. I'm not really interested in discussing my psychology and life history with you.
You choice. NESing of course was here before you... Which brings me to...No, I just entirely reject the definition.
There is an implicit and unspoken social contract undertaken when a game begins that if the players are involved the mod will be too, and vice versa. When one side or the other fails, that's a breach of trust in that contract, and of that contract itself. Some people will claim a moderator doesn't owe a players anything, and vice versa, which is so much crap as otherwise people wouldn't get nearly so upset about games ending or people not sending orders. It's very clearly a two-way street, it's just not spelled out officially most of the time.
Entering into that contract knowing full well you are likely to breach it is effectively fraud:
fraud noun \ˈfrȯd\
: the crime of using dishonest methods to take something valuable from another person
And what you're taking is their time and effort. Why you failed to meet your end of the contract is ultimately irrelevant to the fact that you did, and you were well aware that you were likely going to do so. Fraud by way of negligence is still fraud. The fact that I am sitting here saying "I have no interest or desire in doing this because I know with a high certainty what the outcome will be," makes me morally scrupulous while you are effectively actively demanding to be defrauded of your time. Again, this is a social contract, not a legal one, so the fallout is grumbling and complaining and not lawsuits, but that doesn't really change what's happening.
Surprisingly, people that often breach contract are looked at more dubiously the next time they try and mod (or play) and eventually develop reputations as flakes! I wonder why???
Why? You are running them. People still run NESes. There is nothing to worry about, remember, we all STARTED at teenagers. Before worrying we need at least one generation to pass and fail moding as adults... And I think we are doing Ok for now. In fact I think we have more adult NESes running smoothly than teenagery ones. I guess that's kind of part of the point too.
Us teenagers will take over NES!
That also depends on our schedules. Last year, I went to a school where I was traveling a lot and had no Internet while traveling. This year, I have a much freer schedule, but I will be gone for all of July, so some of us teenagers have less time to run NESes, partially because of school-related commitments like finals and trips.
Suppose Blizzard permanently shut down all WoW servers tomorrow for some reason. How angry do you suppose the playerbase would be? Why would they take it so seriously? It's just a game.Jeez man! A NES is a game! Not a contract! I get what you mean, but man you are taking this way too seriously and extremely. Why?! I mean I take NESing far too emotionally (because it used to be one of the only sources of fun in my life probably).. But contract? Fraud? "morally scrupulous"? Come on again! You just failed at managing some game on the internet. Don't take it so hard... I hope that's just for the sake of argument, and not really how you look at NESing.
Jeez man! A NES is a game! Not a contract! I get what you mean, but man you are taking this way too seriously and extremely. Why?! I mean I take NESing far too emotionally (because it used to be one of the only sources of fun in my life probably).. But contract? Fraud? "morally scrupulous"? Come on again! You just failed at managing some game on the internet. Don't take it so hard... I hope that's just for the sake of argument, and not really how you look at NESing.
NK -my point wasn't the depth of the game, I like deep games too. But the depth of how sym sees the games as contracts in court. That is extreme. I like deep GAMES, but they are still games, not law.
Again, this is a social contract, not a legal one,
It still seems like a very extreme view. Especially in our not so large community. If people would have seen failed NESes so hard... I doubt we would have lasted over a few months... Maybe you guys need to view it a little more like when we were teenagers, these are fun games to play, as deep and time consuming as they may get, and they should remain fun games to play. Not social contracts, not in the meaning of actual contracts.I thought he put it quite clearly: