Don't forget save scummingWhat many Deity players won't tell you is how often they re-roll the map when they get stuck with a crappy start. Or when they ragequit on turn 30 cos they start stuck between Montezuma, Gheghis Khan, and Aminitore.
Don't forget save scummingWhat many Deity players won't tell you is how often they re-roll the map when they get stuck with a crappy start. Or when they ragequit on turn 30 cos they start stuck between Montezuma, Gheghis Khan, and Aminitore.
Beyond that, the only way to win at the hardest dificulty is to get a powerful civ, to study the game to the point you memorize an optimal play style, and to be lucky.
There is a very specific type of player, minmaxer, or optimizer, that aproaches the game as an optimization formula, trying to improve strategy and moves to perfection. My cousing, another fan of the game since Civilization I, Is one of them.
I play with him online, and honestly he destroys me.
He rerrolls bad starts, but he does not use exploits. He plays in deity often and his strategy is the kind of trategy that requires very speciphic conditions: Such as "by turn 20 you need to have accomplished this, if you dont, you already lost".
I dont like playing like this, and sometimes I think my cousin has an obsession and is not really enjoying a game. He even says you cannot have "fun" at deity, it is a totally different experience that is very frustrating and unforgiving.
Credit where credit is due, though. It takes patience, passion, and years of practise to learn to play like this by yourself.
He wins less than 1/3 of deity games he plays. And Im sure there are better players out there, but Im not aware of a simple player in the world that wins on deity more than half the games without exploits.
Only 5% of players have ever won at deity. And most of them have used exploits or guides to get the achievement.
In other words, you have to be insane to recommend deity to new players. What is wrong with you people?
Re-reading oSieyeza's comment i think i did initially misunderstand it.
I agree a player completely new to 4x games and Civ is not going to be able to play on Deity. But also the way people are representing deity in this thread is simply so alien to my personal experience that i have to say something.
Beginners who have experience with Civ can safely start on Emperor difficulty and then play Immortal.
King is the last difficulty level on which you can reliably win simply going with the flow, without min-maxing, chopping everything in sight, optimizing all decisions, chaining eurakas etc. If you are prepared to maximize efficiency at the cost of the roleplaying aspect of the game, the game might really be easy on any difficulty level, with how weak the AI is.
This is also subjective. For me it's at emperor difficulty. And I really don't minmax, most of the times I don't even have a gameplan.
But I also have no interest in trying harder difficulties. I want to be able to freewheel it.
It is ok. We can all missunderstand sometimes.
Also, I did not pretend to be confrontational.
I think you just lack perspective. You are an elite player and you know it.
You sound like Usain Bolt saying: I don't understand how some people cannot get to the Olympics, I win easily all the time!
I'm unsure where a totally new player should start. I would recommend prince... I will certainly never ever recomend starting emperor or above.
I'm really baffled by this conversation.
Sorry, you are wrong. This is not true at all.
50% of the players have actually completed the game. Of these ony 1 in 5 has ever won emperor or above.
You know this. And you know what you say is not reasonable at all.
You also know perfectly well, cause you are very active here, that most veteran players play King or Emperor. And by veterans mean the 1000h players.
You are both right. King and Emperor are the goto difficulties for veterans. Depending on how you like to play, this is where most experienced players find their balance, according to my experience on this forum.
I personally play most of my time on King, and go to emperor when Im in the mood. And Im not afraid of saying that, despite being at the 400 hours mark on Civ 6, I lose on king often enough.
I'm unsure where a totally new player should start. I would recommend prince... I will certainly never ever recomend starting emperor or above.
I'm really baffled by this conversation. I was sure this was just a bit of trolling. Now I think this community may have become a bit elitist, and self indulgent. Maybe there is such a thing as too much civ.
This is how human brains work (I'm a psychologist in the making) we bias ourselves the whole time.
I know I am biased, and my experience is not the experience of other people. I'm used to this, as I'm also a kind of an expert in theological debates. But still...
There are people recommending deity for new players...
Just wow.
This perspective thing is my entire point. And why OP's question is so difficult to answer.
People's experiences are so different. To the point where the way people are describing Deity in this thread simply doesn't correspond with my experience playing the game, like, at all, it's almost if people have a different game installed on their hard drives. The same way me describing my experiences is almost as if i have a different game installed on my hard drive.
So in a way the only real answer we can give to OP is just to give it a try themselves. Depending on their experience and their approach to Civ, eg a builder vs a warmonger, the level of difficulty they experience is going to be vastly different.
And on the Usain Bolt thing, i wouldn't make the comparison myself, I know there are many players on this forum who are better than me, but thanks anyway
How many have attempted Emperor or above?
I know no such thing.
No man, it's just you're being a bit arrogant and are seemigly unable to grasp that some people just do not accept your argument at all.
The only person who recommended Deity was Lily.
And where did you get the data that most veterans play on King?
How many times have you actually tried Emperor or Immortal?
You maybe think Im arrogant for not thinking that unexperienced players will enjoy playing on Emperor, since I dont want to uphold new players to my veteran standards. I dont think this can be called an arrogant position by any standard.
Also I dont know how many players have tried high difficulties. Im just assuming players play the difficulty they feel more comfortably with. And 90% of civ players seem to think emperor and above is not this point.
I think to pretend that I new player can start in a difficulty setting that 90% of the players find too difficult is not a reasonable advice.
Nice spin.
You're arrogant because you claimed that I'm lying and that I know that I'm lying. You say this because it is inconceivable to you that your subjective experience is anything but objective.
You keep pulling numbers out of thin air.
So many diffrent opinions on this i will just have to try it myself.Idident play civ 6 but i can only tell from my expiriance that civ 4 ai(realism invictus mod)can crush my skull even on king while civ 5(no mods)diety is very easy.Im not cosider myself a very good player but im veteran of grand startegy 4x games(all civs, pardox games).My only concern with civ 6 is that there are no good mods from what i see in the workshop and i suspect that no moded civ 6 ai can be total 0 but i will try it thx guys i rly appreciate that you shared youre expiriance with this game