What exactly are you asking?
Distracted irl may have missed it.
ok so i think you say you missed it?
basically when people are going into the grainy area of character progression in the movies, they don't do it to say luke is a mary sue. they do it to outline how each character grows too rapidly to be realistic. but they never say that's not ok. star wars is larger than life, aligned with action romps' style of verisimilitude, where the uninitiated hero can kick some ass after a few hours of movie progression. it's
normal for the genre.
what i talked about was mostly you being very clearly defensive about luke's position as a mary sue here. you do not want him to be one, and you conceptualize the action romp competent hero in rey as one, so you don't like the structural similarity in how luke and rey were written, since if rey is a mary sue, you don't want it to mean that luke is one too. but noone is calling luke a mary sue. your defensiveness has no purpose. you're not arguing with anyone.
whether rey grew in power too fast is actually not that objective, by the way; and your idea of objective measurement is kind of a failure in understanding script writing.
both are unrealistically growing in power. that's the default, if not
the point of the verisimilitude of action romps (ie that it's not real, but
real enough for its genre). that OT star wars did this competently does not change how action romps work.
it's not meant to be realistic.
it's meant to be flash gordon. it's innately unrealistic and unnatural and
only felt as "realistic" depending on the viewer subjectively being able to accept an actively anti-objective reality, because
the world doesn't work like it does in star wars. it
solely works by appealing to realism
just enough that we'll let it go and can enjoy the fantasy of losing objectivity for a bit. then
how much we're able to accept of fantasy
depends on the subjective viewer. and
some people can accept that luke grows unrealistically fast, while they can't accept that rey does so.
(sidenote: the idea of bloodline force power, for the record, does not counteract the nature of a mary sue. that someone is weirdly competent or excellent is not counteracted by the idea that some magical bloodline did it or a wizard did it or whatever.)
so why are people trying to outline luke's nature then? because the claim of mary sue
rarely goes on luke or anakin, but rather goes towards rey. and
also, the claim of the mary sue girlboss is somehow a "woke" tendency. there are two points here. first, claims of mary sues in action properties rarely fall onto male characters; and secondly, somehow mary sue-ing female characters is somehow a failure
specifically of "woke" culture; so mary sue is something can literally only befall girlbosses, apparently.
this is incessantly sexist. it misses what mary sues
are in literary criticism, while encompassing how mary sue is
used, to specifically denigrate female characters in cinema. and again, like "woke", you're deliberately reproducing the rhetoric; because you don't like the movies, maybe perhaps because you don't understand what a mary sue is, or maybe you don't like rey as a character. the OT was better, but
it has nothing to do with a mary sue is.
a mary sue is not just someone overtly or unreasonably powerful in its property. power is often a part of it, but the
function of a mary sue is different. a mary sue is someone that
warps the story around it to serve a self-fulfilling fantasy. so the indulgence in fantasy, living out a character, is true both with luke and rey. the question is more whether the story bends over to serve the self-insert, and honestly, it doesn't really do that in either trilogy at large. i'd really suggest the intro from this video that outlines what a mary sue
actually looks like.
in regards to sue'ing in star wars, it's completely straight-thrills, regular action competence. han, luke and leia are with their own motivation and interweave in the story as their different assortments of older figures of prominence. a mary sue version would be like, i don't know, a video game where you're unnaturaly special and the world serves to enable your fantasy.
so for mary sue media that isn't fanfiction, what would actually be a mary sue? the faceless main of skyrim is a good example. star wars isn't. a lot of video games are like that, actually.
EDIT: and note - i foresee that you may think the video agrees with you.
it doesn't. everything you've outlined is like power scaling and how a main character in an action property usually is. nothing of what you've said has to do with the structure of the story, all of it aligns with being the main character in an action fantasy. it's granular stuff, as to the nuances of being a main character, and how competent they're supposed to be. you're also quite alarmed by the idea that luke could be a mary sue, and she delves on that too:
there's actually, in literay criticism at least, anything wrong at all about someone being a mary sue in a story. but you're so hell-bent at proving that luke isn't that you miss the forest for the trees.
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