hewhoknowsall
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In real life, do you think that any civilizations achieved any of the victory conditions that exist in Civilization 4?
Well, America is busy with it's war over oil in the Middle East, Russia has to redevelop after the collaspe of the USSR, so China has a goo chance to catch up due it it's good overall production.
I have a couple of quibbles with this phrase. Many superpowers? I know of only two nations which have ever commonly been referred to as superpowers, and one of those hasn't existed for over a decade. Know about fusion? You mean they know we have no form of it which can be practically applied, right? Or do you think they have the secret cold-fusion reactor in a warehouse with the car that runs on water and the ark of the covenant?Well, many superpowers know about fusion,
If coke and ESPN are culture, we've lowered the bar and can't call it civilization.America won space already.
Cultural America has New York, Boston, DC, Los Angelas. Coke, Pepsi, Ford, GM, ESPN, Nike, Hollywood.
We got culture already.
Edit: I hate to be that guy, but this thread has been beaten to death.
Cue all the America haters.
If coke and ESPN are culture, we've lowered the bar and can't call it civilization.
I have a couple of quibbles with this phrase. Many superpowers? I know of only two nations which have ever commonly been referred to as superpowers, and one of those hasn't existed for over a decade. Know about fusion? You mean they know we have no form of it which can be practically applied, right? Or do you think they have the secret cold-fusion reactor in a warehouse with the car that runs on water and the ark of the covenant?
The US is going for a domination victory now, but the way we run our vassals is quite a bit different than the game mechanics of CivIV allow.
If we consider space colonization to be a space win (Alpha centauri is a lot farther away than you think if you believe we are working on that) then the US, Russia and China (to a lesser extent) could all be said to have much of the progress done, though none appears committed to permanent settlements on the moon or Mars yet. (both of which will have human colonies long before we can even reach AC)
Plenty of European cities could be said to have legendary culture, certainly London, Paris, Rome, Athens, and Vienna. They are all under one political body now, but it wouldn't be proper to assign the culture from all the art in all those cities to the EU, as none of it has been created since the EU was formed.
So I would say no one has reached victory yet.
America won space already.
Cultural America has New York, Boston, DC, Los Angelas. Coke, Pepsi, Ford, GM, ESPN, Nike, Hollywood.
We got culture already.
Edit: I hate to be that guy, but this thread has been beaten to death.
Cue all the America haters.
I draw a distinction between cultural and commercial phomomena, as does CivIV. Not all corporations generate culture.Love people like you. And the Palestinians who eat McDonald's and drink their Coca-Cola in between anti-USA chants. Coke is sold all over the entire world. Anymore, Coke is about as American as, well, apple pie.
Actually, it may be doubtful that anyone wins any victory by 2050, so time victory may be the one. This would most likely be the USA or China depending on how long USA holds its superpower status for.