Aspiring Rapper's MAFIA- Game Thread

Mat93 · Jan 25, 2016

Visorslash said:
I still remember you wanting to make me a serial killer with no kill. .

I can honestly say I don't remember that at all. I do however remember having a run where I voted for you every game D1 though. Can't remember why though, if there even was a reason.

Visorslash said:
I don't remember much of his playstyle

If it helps, neither do I.

Visorslash · Jan 25, 2016

Mat93 said:
I can honestly say I don't remember that at all. I do however remember having a run where I voted for you every game D1 though. Can't remember why though, if there even was a reason.

If it helps, neither do I.

BSmith1068 said:
Probably because I haven't responded to his PM yet. Visor and I have a pretty good track record of working together, and my not answering his PM is probably being perceived as scummy.

Frankly I was waiting to see how things played out with him a little bit before coming forward. He (almost) burned me in a recent game where we were collaborating when he was actually scum.

Mat93 said:
I was half tempted to give him a serial killer role with 0 chance of winning because of that...

Then I thought it would be more fun to wait until I'm scum/vig again and just night 1 kill him...

Maybe some other time.

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Mat93 · Jan 25, 2016

Glossysushi said:
I'll wait a little and see what happens first.

Glossysushi said:
Lol. I mostly said later because I need to get to a laptop.

This I don't like at all. I'm slightly irked by it, but also you are heading up my suspicion list.

Glossysushi · Jan 25, 2016

Jarrema said:
You are right, but you dont see fully my point.

I would never play at a site with 300 posts per day (real life one), let alone per hour.
I cannot process so much text, and - as I said above - I think so many posts and fluff hurts the game.

How about this.

Not just you, but everyone else who is complaining about the fluff/high amount of posts-- fluff is actually useful.

Let's go and actually analyze all the posts from the beginning of the game to now and see what conclusions you draw.

You should know more about other people's meta than any of the new players do, so it should be easier, though a lot of work.

Personally I like tackling it player by player. High posters, of course, are difficult to analyze, but the work can be divided up.

I am interested in clarifying some of my null reads, such as Al Sips and that one dude who looks super scummy but apparently is acting like he's town.

What about you? Who do you need to hear more from, who do you have experience with, and how are you reading people?

Mat93 · Jan 25, 2016

Visorslash said:
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Ahh. I wasn't entirely serious there. I did seriously consider the comedic value, but would of been a bit of a jerk move.

Glossysushi · Jan 25, 2016

Mat93 said:
This I don't like at all. I'm slightly irked by it, but also you are heading up my suspicion list.

That's fine, I don't particularly care. It's how I play.

Not now means later.

Visorslash · Jan 25, 2016

Lenore. These people don't have the time to devote to the game that you do

hell even i rarely reread unless its in a mustlynch scenario

Visorslash · Jan 25, 2016

Mat93 said:
Ahh. I wasn't entirely serious there. I did seriously consider the comedic value, but would of been a bit of a jerk move.

oh i know you weren't serious, i just remembered it as a humourous comment

anyway, thoughts on my reads list?

Glossysushi · Jan 25, 2016

Visorslash said:
Lenore. These people don't have the time to devote to the game that you do [emoji14]

hell even i rarely reread unless its in a mustlynch scenario

That's why I said we should split up the work.

Jarrema · Jan 25, 2016

I will comment only on those that I have any feeling of

Spoiler :

as for me, you can. But why in a way of over-posting? Just become lest active, if you have to :mischief:

Spoiler :

agreed. I think so too.

Spoiler :

I read him as town, not contributing to overall chaos

Spoiler :

but sometimes I change from you, and this time I deliberately voted for you second time, to indicate it is more than my usual day 1 vote.
And I agree that when I am scum I want to get rid of you. But I want to remind you, that last time I was mafia, I purposefuly discouraged my team mate from killing you night 1 (as not to get too much attention after killing you so early)

Spoiler :

I see him writing quite agressively. I think it is town sign for him.

Spoiler :

agree. OTOH, I dont know Sooh play style at all

Cuthillius · Jan 25, 2016

Glossysushi said:
Agreed with this.

Cuth, tell me. What are your other reads?

At this point? Zack slight town, if Visor is town you're scum, Lassie slight town, apart from that I have to reread again.

Lassie said:
Aw Glossy ruins the fun I had.

Well, if it wasn't obvious from my play, I am indeed not Alette.
I'm also not female, so I'll spare you from more silly blushing smileys.

My real name is Lasse, so Lassie is just a sort of joke on that, since many foreigners mistakes it with Lassie, the dog name, which sounds female.

Also, I'm NAC from Mafiauniverse.com - those interested in earlier games of mine are welcome to go and look there.

oh lol that I would never have guessed

Lohrenswald said:
yea I kinda regret that post, since I was saying fos jokingly as I did before. But by now I probably shouldn't, even though most of day 1 still lie ahead.

but I have voted YOU PLEBE PAY ATTENTION

apologizing for other posts is slightly scummy

Glossysushi said:
Hmm. Thoughts about Cuthilius? I actually find his exchange with Visor quite lacking. Scummy.

Could you elaborate why? I did not have much of an exchange at all, and

Visorslash said:
I personally found his read of one scum between me and Newyn ridiculous and forced.

lol

it definitely fits at least one of my metas, and I think the one I've actually played with the two of you most

my team has a 100% success rate in turbos

Zack said:
Also I hate the trend of painting anyone who makes a joke as scum. Mafia is a game, having fun shouldn't be so strongly discouraged.

I'm not saying he's scum just for joking, but joking that he's scum over many posts. It reminds me of the time he claimed Survivor in his first post as scum.

Glossysushi said:
Actually, this series of posts made me really iffy about you, Visor. But your recent interactions with me and your interactions outside of the circle I've quoted here are alright.

lol

uh oh must reverse read danger danger backpedal

Mat93 said:
I disagree with a Visor lynch, mainly on the basis I haven't really seen a good reason to lynch him, although this is the most I can remember thinking hes scummy, including everytime he actually was.

@Mat93
So seeing someone as scummy is not a good reason to lynch them?

Glossysushi said:
On the other hand, Cuthilius posts a lot more as town than he does as scum.

Umm you've never played with me as scum

And that is incorrect

Cuthillius · Jan 25, 2016

hm

Unvote; Glossysushi

stronger lean than Visor

Mat93 · Jan 25, 2016

Visorslash said:
Reads:

Likely Town:
Kennigit - Like what he's saying. Fits his town game.

Lassie - Like what he's saying so far.

Lohrens - Seems townieish on tone.

Newyn - Tone read.

Pouter - Same as he was in the game on GITP, like it so far.

Takhisis - Feels like town takhisis to me.

Xym - town on tone/gut, his post looks fine to me.

Kennigit and Takhisis I have a slight town lean on, more so than anyone else. Pouter slightly less so, but I do like his long post, so not one of my suspects. The rest, null lean at this point, could easily be either way.

Visorslash said:
Town:
Cass_ - Minor town lean (mostly because too many neutrals) doesn't seem like she has a particular agenda, sorta like the tone of her posts.

Choxorn - Could go both ways. Certainly hiding in the background a bit and not exactly leading discussion, but thats not how he plays anyway. Just a tone read on him.

Murska - Minor town read based on tone.

Cass and Murska no lean, but choxorn is playing roughly how I remember. I'd at least give him a few (game) days before getting suspicious of him, personally.

Visorslash said:
Neutral:
Autolycus - no posts IIRC

BSmith - no posts IIRC, low activity is his scum meta but lately its non alignment indicative so read into that what you will

Edse - Don't remember much of what he has posted.

Golden - Hasn't posted, doesn't post much. No read.

Legato Endless - not sure if he's posted.

Very quiet (except edse a little), no thoughts whatsoever

Visorslash said:
Jarrema: Would always love to get rid of me early if he was scum, but often believes his scum reads on me a lot. Could go either way, need a bit more to see where he's at. Potentially minor town lean for now. Always votes me D1.

I recall him pushing for your lynch D1 in a game before, and getting burnt badly for it. But its long enough ago that that could be an irrelevance. Not entirely sure if just misguided or scummy...leaning scummy, but not by much. I could go with a lynch here.

Visorslash said:
KingMorgan: Generally always votes me initially D1. We normally exchange some sort of banter about english and Australian sporting teams, except the English test team are doing quite well at beating the South African under 12's so not much to discuss there. Minor town lean on past history, will need to see more.

As I said before, his vote I would consider scummy by anyone else, but hes different...no lean.

Visorslash said:
Special Category:
Glossy: Both ways. Dollars to Donuts she'd love to catch me as scum, so her reacting the way she did would not be unsurprising as town. Her reasons and reactions after that have been quite lackluster, but overall I think I am going to give a minor town lean, though not very strong. I'm mostly voting her out of spite. Sue me.

Moderate scum lean myself. Admittedly don't know her as well as you do. I do think she is pushing your lynch harder than there is reason to (at this stage) though. Probably my preferred lynch.

Also the lawsuit will be commencing shortly

Visorslash said:
Landlubber - Could go either way. Would certainly like to lynch me early if scum, but could genuinely believe I am scum, would like to see his interactions with other players to get a better read on his game.

I disagree with his reasoning for his vote, but I could well be wrong. Slight town lean, but could be gambling on an unexpected possible Visor lynch as scum. Pretty much agree with you here.

Visorslash said:
Mat93 - Been very softly softly so far this game. Some of the things he has said has been pretty solid, but I'm not liking the cautious approach. I don't remember much of his playstyle, would like to see a bit more aggression and interactions/hunting from him to get a good read.

Caught out by the unexpectedly high activity so far. Generally agree though...been a bit all over the place.

Visorslash said:
Zack: Could swing either way. Not really much to say here, he's certainly low impact and his mafia games generally tend that way, but he also doesn't seem to care about giving reads, so who knows. Neutral for now, until I see more.

Nothing to say here.

Visorslash said:
Scummy:
Al Sips - Talking about not having a similar level of impact, over his last few games his town performances have been quite good, high level of activity and content, and no prisoners taken. I am a fan of how he goes about his business, but the one post bandwagon vote on me today hasn't exactly given me a good feeeling. Mildly scummy, need to see more.

Don't know his playstyle, but slight scum lean on his reasoning on his vote. Looks to be going for an easy mislynch. Wouldn't say no to a lynch here.

Visorslash said:
Arakhor - Kennigit was dead on the money earlier, Arakhors interactions didn't exactly seem genuine to me. Definitely need to see more.

Backwards Logic - His reaction to edses vote seemed very fake.

No townie vibes from either, and can see logic to suspicion, but don't have enough to go IMO. Neutral lean.

Visorslash said:
Cuth - Already detailed, thought his reactions and reads around the me/Newyn thing were fake, not exactly assured of the content.

Sooh - This is a minor one, but Sooh's been quite quiet despite being around, I would like to see more from her and what she thinks, just a gut read on this one.

Cuth seems to be holding back, I have a not-vanilla lean here, am aware of the possibility of a minor power role though. Hard to call. Possible lynch, but feel there is a few better choices.

Sooh, I agree that more would be nice. Slight scum lean, but not confident on it.

As for you Visor:

You feel scummy, but I do find it very hard to read you. As proven repeatedly. Could go either way. Happy to give a free ride today though, due to content posts.

KingMorgan · Jan 25, 2016

Your wrong with saying that I always vote you day1 Visor, also odd you claim it? As if to negate the value of vote? I believe there has been 1 occasion for me voting you on the 1st day, 2 if you count today. Probably day2 is my favourite visorvote day.

I like Sushi and Visor for scum buddies, Sushis late arrival in the wolf QT has inspired Visor, hence the strange meta we see, I do feel they are egging each other on to greater heights of fluff and banter. Plenty of back and forth and i'm sure some inside jokes, batter Visor for a bit, do a quick thread pole then introduce a new suspect.

Lynch Pool
Arakhor - he seems worried about meta
golden1knight - i've seen him around, but discourteous not to post some fluff at the very least
Lorenswald - also worried about meta felt the need to post "evidence"
Sushi - scummy, but tries hard
Visor - Complementary about English Cricket = scum

Mat93 · Jan 25, 2016

Cuthillius said:
Could you elaborate why? I did not have much of an exchange at all, and

@Mat93
So seeing someone as scummy is not a good reason to lynch them?

I agree with the first bit, the quote doesn't feel entirely right with me.

And its Visor. I find him hard to read, so good chance I'm wrong. Would rather go after more confident leans/reads for now.

Cuthillius · Jan 25, 2016

Mat93 said:
Moderate scum lean myself. Admittedly don't know her as well as you do. I do think she is pushing your lynch harder than there is reason to (at this stage) though. Probably my preferred lynch.

Um.

She.... is... reading... Visor... town?

Glossysushi · Jan 25, 2016

Tomorrow fluff convo:

Spoiler :

Other analysis:

Spoiler :

Murska said:
Ayy. True bling bling blue here. Ride on and prosper.

All right, let's get to it. Course, there's not much to go on yet. 'Kay. Ehh.

Reasoning so far seems a bit weak, but early aggression is necessary for results.

I have no idea what this post means. Please explain what the last sentence is referring to.

Murska said:
Vote before heading to sleep, just in case.

Vote: Visorslash

Reason: He exists.

Uh, okay?

landlubber said:
Hello all.

I'm pretty experienced, been playing on and off since 2010. Nice to see so much activity here.

For what it's worth Lohr is striking me as town so far. He usually has a sarcastic kind of persona.

Vote: Backwards Logic. Welcome back from retirement.

Okay first post. I think the joke vote is good, as well as the Lohr read. The only part that I dislike is the explanation of experience.

Newyn said:
Hi Lassie,
This is totally my first Aspiring Rappers Mafia game.
I am also very easy to read so no need to worry about me.

The tone of this post seems pretty innocent and fresh, but the content is kind of weird.
"Totally", "also very" - qualifiers, weird.

"No need to worry about me"- uh huh... Sure.

Newyn said:
Also, Vote:Lassie because I don't trust players I don't know anything about and I'm going to mix up Lass and Cass sooner or later if they both live.

Eh. Okay post? I've seen town make this kind of post before.

Newyn said:
Unvote. Vote: Cuthillius. You shouldn't bus a fellow wolf day 1 Cuth.

I think this is Newyn catching on the strange Cuth vote. Upon reread, this looks good.

Newyn said:
Unvote. I thought we agreed in wolf QT that we wouldn't bus each other Visorslash.

This is weird, but the tone again is good. Matter of fact, in no hurry.

Visorslash said:
Well that's what I thought, but then Cuth goes and votes me.

I'm not standing for that.

At least Cass isn't being suspected at the moment.

Why do you include Cass at this moment?

Newyn said:
On the bright side, they'd never believe we outed the whole team day one so should be an easy win.

Weird, again. This was the post that made me think that this could actually be the case -- that the entire wolf team would out themselves.

Cass_ said:
[emoji38]

Vote: Visor

*Goes deep*

You got a reason not to suspect me? [emoji14]

Something's off. She doesn't seem as excited or as paranoid as in her town games.

Visorslash said:
Seriously, we talked about this.

Stop bussing D1.

At this point, what were your thoughts on Cass?

Cass_ said:
We talked about nothing of the sort [emoji14]

Eh. Italics are okay for Cass. Why? She uses them liberally. I'm actually weirded out by the lack of her emoticons.

Sooh said:
So

Lassie is who I think she is or no?

No.

Sooh said:
Not that it really matters, but I have to say I agree with Cass in terms of asking about reference games for others but not willing to disclose your own.

Hmm... Seems to be an easy statement to make. Why does it not really matter?

Visorslash said:
Well it wasn't really a chat, it was more an announcement that we weren't gonna bus.

But you had to go ahead and bus me anyway.

Betraying the sacred trust of the mafia.

How could you!

I've seen this kind of w/w interaction between Cue and Liz before, so it still doesn't sit well with me.

Newyn said:
It's fine Visor, we'll cfd some sucker later.
Plan's 3 mislynches, bus Cuth for village credits day 4, 3 more mislynches and then brute force day 8 betting on one inactive town?

This actually seems to be happening - voting Cuth d1. Wouldn't be surprised if there is a bit of bussing. Forgive me if I'm paranoid, but yeah.

Sooh said:
You haven't heard of FOS and now you haven't heard of "Chinese Fire Drill"?

What?

Is that really alignment indicative? Weak.

Cass_ said:
Depends on who you think she is [emoji14]
Why doesn't it matter?

And can I check we're agreeing that you think it's fair to slightly out her since she asked for other games, or are you implying something else?

Ooooh, I missed that memo...

Also, I voted you. Slight difference [emoji14]

Unvote

Vote: Lassie

Why aren't you answering my questions?

Good post from Cass. Voting to place pressure, asking for clarification about agreement. I can smell the paranoia.

edse said:
You were included in the "new kids" [emoji14]

I'm in on a mislynch of Vote: Zack.

Mislynch? Joke? Weird, but edse was the one person I read wrong last game as spectator. Maybe scummy = town for him.

Sooh said:
It doesn't really matter who she is, because it's played on a site that's new for us both, so meta tends to change a bit to adapt, at least I feel like mine does.

Yes, we agree that it's fair for her to supply some of her own meta as well since she asked for others to do the same.

It doesn't matter who he is, and meta changes, but you want him to supply meta that may no longer be useful?

Backwards Logic said:
Thanks!

Yea, get avatars you n00bs! [emoji14]

Uh, so why exactly are you in on a mislynch of Zack? Who says it's a mislynch? Seems a little too opportunistic to me, considering you just came out of nowhere to make the post. vote: Edse.

The noob statement is dripping with fakeness. My autocorrect said gangrene, which is also apt.

The Zack question is valid, but the stuff about being opportunistic is quite terrible.

FOS

Cuthillius · Jan 25, 2016

Mat93 said:
I agree with the first bit, the quote doesn't feel entirely right with me.

And its Visor. I find him hard to read, so good chance I'm wrong. Would rather go after more confident leans/reads for now.

no but look at what you said

"i'm reading scummy more than ever before, but there's no good reason to lynch him"

Mat/Visor scum team possible

Visorslash · Jan 25, 2016

So seeing someone as scummy is not a good reason to lynch them?

I'm generally a scummy player.
Also apparently hard to read for some people (lissa in particular, she just can't read me wolf apparently)

Cuthillius · Jan 25, 2016

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