Poland elected a new president

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The aircrash which resulted in death of polish president L. Kaczynski and many other people onboard has changed polish politics. On a wave of sympathy, L. Kaczynski's twin brother (former PM and leader of conservative PiS party), J. Kaczynski, has gained a support he couldn't have counted on earlier on, after his authoritarian-like rules 2005-7. During the campaign, Kaczynski was trying to convince people that he's changed due to the tragedy, became milder, more temperate, less hostile towards Russia etc.
But PiS-controlled public television was not that temperate and, for example, was, by the voices of people on the streats, was accusing liberals of causing the aircrash, or bowing to Russia etc.

It was also accusing the gouverment of incompetence during a giant flood, which happened just before the elections. Public TV was bombarding viewers with images of people claiming that they haven't received help yet and that the "gouverment doesn't do anything".

The ruling liberal party (PO), which's presidential campaign was doomed to consist of criticism of L. Kaczynski's weak presidency, and, due to his death and the flood, was in serious trouble, especially since, being almost sure of win earlier on, prime minister D. Tusk decided to keep his sit and make his political friend, B. Komorowski, run for presidency. Komorowski proved to be much weaker candidate than expected, making a lot of faux pas, and lacking charisma. Also, due to late president's death, it was
Komorowski, as the speaker of the parliament, who was acting as the head of state. And that ment that his every move was heavily criticised.

On another hand, left wing's candidate to presidency was also dead, and young, uncharismatic leader of the party was forced to run to an almost certain doom, which was eagely expected from his party's internal opposition. Left wing didn't expect much votes, especially since many people wanted to support Komorowski in the first round, to stop Kaczynski. In fact, some of the most important left-wing politicians did that.

I round proved to be a success for Napieralski, who (after a lively campaign) gained just 14%, but, in the time of polarisation, without support from his own party, that was supprising. He was starting with a mere 3-4% just a month earlier.
This resulted in a peculiar situation, in which both sides, but especially Kaczynski (who, only several years ago, wanted to ban Napieralski's party), were trying to gain his favour. kaczynski declared his party is "a bit left wing", that he will not call left-wing "post-communists" again, that E. Gierek, former first secretary of communist party, was a patriot and many more surprising statements.

Eventually, Komorowski apparently won by a 5% margin or so, although after checking 20% of the votes, it seemed for a while Kaczynski will win.

to sum it up: a conservative, but a relatively sane candidate has won. EU-sceptical, germanophobic, anti-russian and anti-gay Kaczynski was forced during the campaign to become calmer and he'll probably stay this way. There's a fear he will win parliamentary elections, though.

As i've already mentioned in another thread, again, in the first round Kaczynski won in former russian and austrian part of Poland, Komorowski in former prussian part and in virtually all big cities.
 
I saw the results one the news yesterday, and my mother asked me who I wanted to win. We both agreed that Komorowski was the best choice. The infamy of the Kaczynski brothers extends far beyond the Polish borders.
 
I hope the aircrush wasnt caused by anyone, but you cannot be sure. What were the politics of the dead previous president? Were they anti-usa?

No, they were extremly pro-USA.

Also, important politicians of ALL parliamentary parties died in this crash.
 
The ruling liberal party (PO)

I looked up these guys on wikipedia, and it says there that PO is a "liberal conservative" party. What exactly does that mean, in terms of Polish politics? I was under the impression that PO was the "racist/anti-immigrant" party. Then again, I know very little about Polish politics.

What sort of guy is Komorowski? You said he's conservative - but this term means an entirely different thing in Poland than here in North America (right?).
 
Moderator Action: This is a pre-emptive: any "discussion" or "jokes" about which part of Europe or any other continent Poland is located in will be awarded points.
 
It seems Poland elected the lesser of evils. I guess that's a good thing.
 
What's wrong with that (other than anti-gay)?

The guy actually managed to say that Poland deserved more votes in the EU, because of all the polish people who died during the second world war. Even on message boards reductio ad Hitlerum is considered bad manners and unproductive. This was international politics.
 
I looked up these guys on wikipedia, and it says there that PO is a "liberal conservative" party. What exactly does that mean, in terms of Polish politics? I was under the impression that PO was the "racist/anti-immigrant" party. Then again, I know very little about Polish politics.

PO is a broad party these days, but I'll try to characterise it:
- support for free market, although recently, due to the crisis, they started saying the state needs more influence in the banking sector. It is for commercialisation of hospitals, for privatisation of state companies apart for several most important, etc
- not for gay rights, but most of its politicians are not very openly against them (they've tried to pass a law which makes civil unions legal, but sort of backdoor, claiming it is only one of the applications, that two lonely elderly ladies my use it too etc). The same when it comes to relations with the church etc: they are quite fond of the church, but much less than PiS. PO is supported by the more liberal part of the clergy. The one that doesn't think EU is the work of Satan.
No-one gives a big dam about immigrants in Poland yet. There are not many of them, apart from Ukrainians and Vietnameese, who are sort of stealth and do not make much trouble. Only Napieralski spoke of them in the campaign.

What sort of guy is Komorowski? You said he's conservative - but this term means an entirely different thing in Poland than here in North America (right?).

He is sort of a douche in my opinion, boasting with his 5 children and gentry background. He is conservative in the sense that he is against gay marriage, but is,
unlike Kaczynski, for refounding of in vitro therapy.

What's wrong with that (other than anti-gay)?

It would be fine if Kaczynski brothers weren't making a virtue of it. Sure, nowdays Kaczynski claims he likes Merkel and loves Wustervelle or whatever his name is. But he used to use fear of Germans and Russians, incited it and his supporters were and are accusing PO of being crypto-Germans at best.
By all this, he was not only harming our relationships with Russia and Germany, but making the atmosphere in Poland very tense.
He is (was?) just too tense about everything. He didn't just say he didn't like something, he was accusing his adversaries of the worst intentions. This guy was actually claiming that the goal of current prime minister is "desintegration of polish nation etc".

The guy actually managed to say that Poland deserved more votes in the EU, because of all the polish people who died during the second world war. Even on message boards reductio ad Hitlerum is considered bad manners and unproductive. This was international politics.

That was his brother, actually, if I recall correctly.
But he didn't demand additional votes for Poland on this basis.
He didn't want additional votes for Poland - he wanted less votes for Germany :),
and used this as an example that population shouldn't be the only factor - hence the root proposition, which was actually quite good.
 
That was his brother, actually, if I recall correctly.
But he didn't demand additional votes for Poland on this basis.
He didn't want additional votes for Poland - he wanted less votes for Germany ,
and used this as an example that population shouldn't be the only factor - hence the root proposition, which was actually quite good.

And as far as I remember this debate only started when Poland was given less votes than we were promised under the treaty we signed when we entered the EU.
 
He is sort of a douche in my opinion, boasting with his 5 children and gentry background. He is conservative in the sense that he is against gay marriage, but is,
unlike Kaczynski, for refounding of in vitro therapy.
Do you mean 'refounding' or 'refunding'?
 
That was his brother, actually, if I recall correctly.
But he didn't demand additional votes for Poland on this basis.
He didn't want additional votes for Poland - he wanted less votes for Germany :),
and used this as an example that population shouldn't be the only factor - hence the root proposition, which was actually quite good.
No, it isn't.
 
this is the electoral map.

13 (E)- territories which formed Congress Poland (Russia) and Galicia-Lodomeria (Austria) 1815-ww1. The fortress of ultraconservatism, apart from
8 (E)- bigger cities, even in the east, vote liberal

10 (C) - former prussian part (until ww1): it votes liberal, but not en masse.

6 (W, N) - former prussian part (until ww2), in which autochtonic population is scarce (germanised population fled or was expelled, and the area was settled by Poles expelled from USSR). It votes liberal en masse.

5 (SW, N) - former prussian part (until ww2), in which autochtonic population (including some Germans) is large. It votes liberal even more.

7 (SE) - part of territories resettled after ww2, which, for unknown reason, vote conservative (an anomaly). Perhaps it was settled by people from very conservative region.

14 (CN) - ethnic region of Kashubians. Although the leader of liberals is a Kashubian, they tend to vote conservative.

4 (CS) - former austrian Silesia. It contains large protestant minority, which votes liberal.

9 (CS) - former russian area, which is heavily industrialised and votes left wing - liberal. It is an unique area in which even some priests used to support post-communists, who used to get 3/4 of popular votes here.

2 (NE) small lithuanian minority area

3 (NE) an anomaly of polish roman-catholics in eastern Poland voting liberal.

1 (E) an area of orthodox - belarusian minority. Also, of influential left-wing senator who supported liberals in this election.

11 (E, SE) - an area which had a big orthodox (Ukrainian) minority prior to ww2. They were expelled, although some remain. This area is, thus, similar to the western edge of Poland, which votes liberal (previously: left wing)
 

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