Aspiring Rapper's MAFIA- Game Thread

I've already said... If I have constant reads you should lynch me. If I do not reevaluate that means I am scum.
*fixed formatting
Haha, yep, noted. How did you get the reply to double-quote?

White knighting - coming to someone's defense instead of letting the person defend themselves. Often unnecessary, and the person getting white knighted does not appreciate it. Usually it's done with intentions to make oneself look better, especially in front of the person getting defended. Originally used in the context of what 'nice guys' did for girls in hopes of getting laid, it has now gone out of these boundaries and become a commonly used term also in Mafia communities.

Spew - Imagine vomit coming out of someone's mouth after you sock them in the stomach. That's the original definition - upchuck. However, it is now used in Mafia communities to indicate the spittle/upchuck left behind by caught/dead scum that implicates or clears people who interact with them.

I would add to White Knighting that the reason it's not often appreciated in mafia is because it's a relatively easy tactic for scum to use when they have TMI.
Hence part of my concern with Cuth - he's jumping in and defending me a lot when there's no real pressure on me/he doesn't really need to. On the one hand, I know he kicked himself for not defending me last game we Towned together when I got misread and I'd like to say he's Town. I don't particularly want to see him swing for his defence of me especially if he's Town, but on the other hand, until I'm confident for my own reasons that he is Town, that's not enough to actually outweigh the fact he could be over-defending me to pocket me/make himself look good as scum.

Meh. TLDR: Cuth White Knighting me should probably be considered null for now, though I can't guarantee he's not banking on me to back that up.


Because he's an easy lynch, and the reasons for voting him are very subpar.


Apart from the fact he's voting you, what's different about Edse's play in comparison with that in the Org Snake game?

I just looked and his posting's completely different there.



I've said, I'm not going to go over that at this point, it'll clarify and progress over depending on what happens in thread. Purposefully avoiding that.

Sushi's reads and what she's saying and advocating are not constants. Read her posts.

Ok for Sushi :/ for the Visor interactions, if only because it makes it harder for me to get a good read on you right now.

My argument is basically that Edse is a similarly easy lynch/mislynch to Al Sips, and it's a pretty cop-out vote if he turns out to be Town.
I just looked at his 12-post ISO from the last game too, and these are the posts from Day 1
Spoiler :

Time to blindly follow the ghost of Pizza Vote: El Brato
Joke/sheep response to Alette voting El Barto

People like to say PIS (perfect information syndrome) after speculation posts. The weird thing is that for them to know that the speculation poster knows too much, they know too much, otherwise they wouldn't know that the speculation poster "know" too much.

Unvote: Vote: Al Sipsclar
Vote Al Sips for random, jokey, nothing reasoning. Left the vote here all day.

You sure know how to insult people El Baritone. I was merely playing with your name since Scarlett misspelled it in the post before (and did again :P )
Joke fluff

1. I would ruthlessly spread hints around me untill I hang.

2. Not like this, that's for sure.
Joke fluff in response to general questionnaire.


I can't clear him of being scummy scum here just because he was scummy Town there (and I'm not trying to/I'm not overly against his lynch), but I can't see how his posting is 'completely different' and I want to make that clear.

On the other hand, Al Sips' involvement is completely different. He was up there with top posters in that game all game, here he's barely contributed at all.

What info do you think we'd get out of an Edse lynch depending on his flip?

Sushi has a lot of potential as an asset if he's left alive and town. Edse is a cunning player, but he's not going to be giving the same amount of information alive as an early investment. That makes him a fine lynch for databecause there's less utility sacrifice early on if we're wrong.

How do you know where most people are looking? Maybe I'm mistaken, but the town isn't really a mob mentality now. It's more like a dozen overlapping dinner parties.

I like this post and question from Legato. Agree with the bold and can vote here provided we can't find a better-value candidate for scum. Same question as for Cuth - what actual info are we going to get from lynching Edse today?

Afaict we get:

- potential clearing for Cuth if he's scum because of his lazy vote on Cuth, Cuth's push on him and ?the probability of it being a bus is ?low
- potentially unanswerable questions (regardless of his alignment) on Sushi and I and anyone else who's hesitating on making Edse they lynch because they read him the same way/Scum as Town because a)valid point but b)Team protecting/?TMI.

Meh. Is there anything else?

I don't know how to balance this in comparison with Al Sips. Edse posting the same scummy way he did as Town but some info to be gained and he's not likely to be as active/telling as Al Sips if Al Sips is Town and comes back to play like last game. BUT Al Sips' involvement is in direct contradiction to his last Town play while Edse looks much the same to me. I'm going to leave my vote where it is for now.

This post makes me feel better about Cuth. I often have the same mentality when I'm town, though I usually prefer not to act on it. And I know that Cuth and I occasionally share certain aspects of our playstyle (this can be a trap for me when I try to read him, but eh). The logic is that you'd rather be doing something effective with your lynch vote, so looking for a target that's more likely to get lynched makes sense.

So town points for Cuth.

Can someone define white knighting and spew for me? Googling those terms only gave vague definitions...
I like the reasoning/explanation here from Pouter Pigeon. Towny post.

Oh and, yes, Cass, that genuinely was a random vote. If I'd known that it would generate this much discussion, I'd have done something different. :)

(I have too many dice and too few opportunities to use them.)
:crazyeye:

Killing Sips will probably not leave us with much of any clues of who his fellow scum would be if he is. And it's even more of a wasted lynch if he's town.
FTR I agree but aorn he's in direct contrast to what I know of his Town meta and I don't like the idea that he could be counting on this argument to let him coast as scum.

Heh, looking at the Snake Cult game I found this post by Cass. :D
If you're Town convinced I'm Town because of stuff like this then great, don't vote me and do stand up for me with stuff if people push specific points you want to debate with/come seriously calling for my lynch. But FTR I think you can/should stop defending me so hard for now out of nowhere, at this point it ultimately has more utility for YouScum than YouTown IMO and it's wigging me out.

Cass, a few posts of yours ago you were basically calling Legato lock town for a certain post. Are you taking that back?
I don't ever do lock-town but I did temporarily back off Town lean because the points I questioned seemd off/stood out. I'm haven't ISO'd him completely but I'm happy with the responses he gave me, the points since - and I did really like his earlier post, so he's back to light Town lean for now.
 
Just took this from the player roster. Here's my reads list.

al sipsclar- Done very little. Voted visor, that's it. Scum.
arakhor- Has not defended himself much or given many reads. Scum.
autolycus- Uhh, I think I remember a catch up post, but still nothing. Null.
backwards logic- Has posted several rant like posts complaining about speed of the thread and fluff. Has had some bad reactions to votes on both himself and others. Scum.
bsmith- posted once or twice. Can't tell. Null.
cass_- The only reason I'm town reading her atm is because Cuth has spewed her town by white knighting her and soft defending her.
choxorn- Low content, has provided helpful answers when I've asked, but has done little analysis or work on his own. However, his tone seems good. Slight town lean.
cuthilius- Very strange reaction to Visor, then switch to me looks strange after I move off Visor. Doesn't think that visor and I are teamed, yet has us as his top scum reads. Compare his play this game to Mel Gibson, and I think we've got a winner. Scum.
edse- Has posted very little. Seems scummy to me, so I'm reading him as the opposite because I can't read him apparently. Town lean.
glossysushi- Me. Lock town.
golden1knight- His one catch up post to vote thread consensus 'randomly' doesn't look very good. That's an understatement. Combined with being called out by King Morgan (instead of all the other lurkers that KM could possibly call out). Scum.
jarrema- Has made several moves like voting me with pretty good reasoning that I don't think would come from scum. Visor also apparently reads her well, and he's reading her as town. However, I disagree with his comment about one of her last posts looking townie. Her last post about Lassie needing to die if I am scum (lol!) does not look townie. Lassie isn't the only one who has defended me, and he's been very townie. This looks like a safe threat to make. Scum lean.
kennigit- Has been pretty consensus town read. I like his push on me and his progression seems natural. However, I would not like him to sit back and relax, so I do want to see more work from him, especially his thoughts irt recent happenings. Town.
kingmorgan- At first, I thought he was townie because of his line of questioning, reasoning of votes, and general content. However, Arakhtor's 'random' vote on him and his backing off from Visor because of reward/incentive reasons makes him look bad. Scum.
landlubber- Again, I have some misgivings. Her vote on Visor seemed to be just as heat was starting to pick up on him, though her reasons for it were fine. Her vote onto another leading wagon was seen as opportunistic by Zack, which I actually agree with. The timing was bad, and the reasoning was not as solid as the first time around. But, her reactions and her anger have seemed very townie... Town lean.
lassie- My strongest town read. Really bad thread entrance, check. A lot of aggressive voting, check. Explanations of reads are really good. Interactions with others always have him come off looking better. Also has me pocketed, lel.
legato endless- Super towny tone and natural responses. I really liked her defense of Cuthilius, because it seemed she really believed what she said. However, I don't think this defense clears Cuth in any way. In fact, his response to her defense (not addressing it, and saying that what she's done isn't particularly townie) again spews her as town. Town.
lohrenswald- Initially I liked her interactions with Lassie, but right now she's skating by on nothing but a wide amount of thread consensus that she's town. She needs to step it up. Town lean.
mat93- Again, starting to doubt. His reactions to other people's questioning and his reads are pretty good, imo. However, his exchange with Cuthilius looks really strange. Neither of them look good from that. Scum lean.
murska- At some point I had a town lean on her, because of her reentry into the thread and explanation of her voting. However, a lot of her current voting seems to be moving along to thread consensus, she has not provided am updated WTL list, and she has said outright scummy things about lynching people she has not solidly given a scum read on. I see no consideration of the other people in the game besides the top wagons in her reads. Scum.
newyn- Apparently he's town, but I really have no clue.
pouter pigeon- Starting to really like his content. My town read on him is strengthening, especially with his wolf ping on Mat, which I agree with a lot. Town.
sooh- Going AWOL. I liked her catch up reads list a lot, so I'm going to temporarily give her a town lean. Town lean.
takhisis- I know nothing. However, everyone seems to think he's town, or at least, a lot of people are ignoring him. Town lean.
visorslash- His last few posts have been townie, and I really think it would be reaching for me to continue to tunnel him. His response to being prodded is the only thing that's mildly suspicious, but it's not enough to warrant a scum read/lynching. I buy that he wanted to chill and not do as much work. Town.
xym- The very few posts she's made seem to be of good content and do not seem to be an attempt to sheep thread consensus. Town.
zack- His attitude seems to be super towny, though there is a world in which I tinfoil and see all the things he's said as mere distraction from game content. Town for now.

Just took the time to read through this - if anyone thinks this is a scum, I'm tempted to say "lolol pls uninstall game". But since it's a forum based game, you can't really do that.

I can follow most of her thoughts, even some of those that I don't necessarily agree with, and the post is made unprovoked, early on the very next day of her pretty much being told to stop posting so much. If she's scum, I think she'd just roll with that and not use like half an hour to make such a post, in addition to other posts.
 
KingMorgan making that change of vote post on Landlubber on last page, and not posting anything else, doesn't look good for him. Not only is it really thin/bad reasoning, but he also manages to completely ignore to respond to my large post, containing description of why he is scummy and putting him as the very lowest on my scum reads + vote on him.

So lets keep him in as a wagon.

Another wagon I wouldn't mind at all is Golden1Knight. His vote on Cuth would look good for Cuth, if he(Golden) is scum. Also I recall some kinda suspicious comments on him, that could look like scum partners having TMI. That includes KingMorgan and Xym, from what I recall.
 
@Cass_ can you link any scum games of Glossy where she posts as much as she has done here? I don't recall ever seeing any scum having 180+ posts on D1(or any day for that matter). I'm asking mostly because I don't get how you can consider her scummy and have her as a "maybe wtl".
 
Just took the time to read through this - if anyone thinks this is a scum, I'm tempted to say "lolol pls uninstall game". But since it's a forum based game, you can't really do that.

I can follow most of her thoughts, even some of those that I don't necessarily agree with, and the post is made unprovoked, early on the very next day of her pretty much being told to stop posting so much. If she's scum, I think she'd just roll with that and not use like half an hour to make such a post, in addition to other posts.

i disagree

there are players that totally do this


re:al sips it's off meta for town game, but also scum. keep that in mind
 
can you link any scum games of Glossy where she posts as much as she has done here? I don't recall ever seeing any scum having 180+ posts on D1(or any day for that matter).
What a bizarre metric to gauge scumminess. What a bizarre defense of another player. What a bizarre post.
 
Can you link me just one game where a scum has same amount of posts on D1?
I can't wrap my head around your behavior here. It only makes sense if you're mafia partners or masons, and even then, it still doesn't really make sense.
 
Can you link us to a game where glossy had 179 posts in the first 55 hours and 8 minutes of the game as town?
 
Are we really going to go around in circles again.

I posted a bigarse reads list earlier. I've stated my town and scum reads numerous times.

Well, I don't remember every post you make, and I asked because I'm curious where you are at, especially with scum reads. You're welcome to link me that bigarse reads list at least.
 
Just took the time to read through this - if anyone thinks this is a scum, I'm tempted to say "lolol pls uninstall game". But since it's a forum based game, you can't really do that.

I can follow most of her thoughts, even some of those that I don't necessarily agree with, and the post is made unprovoked, early on the very next day of her pretty much being told to stop posting so much. If she's scum, I think she'd just roll with that and not use like half an hour to make such a post, in addition to other posts.

I don't particularly like it. "Scum" on like 7 players and "scum lean" on 3-4.

It's also impossible to distinguish in the future. Say one of the very many people stated as "town lean" died and was a scum. Does this give any helpful knowledge as to everyone else on the list?


also i have no freaking clue the vote count but I'll add Cass_ to my list, because skimming through it seemed cass placed a vote on al sipsclar (a currently poopular trend) seems meh. Post a bunch but the votes were like an early vote and then a (possibly) lazy or safe vote

List was:
Arakhor
Glossysushi
Cass_


and I am pro-majority. If we get close to a majority on someone, I will join.

I have 0 idea what the votes are right now and when the timings of votes occurred. The only thing way tucked away in the back of my mind is I think landlubber had switched basically first onto al sipsclar after switching from visorslash--I cannot remember. If the growing steam of al sipsclar votes were like 3 of the scum together to shift away from someone else, that could explain a lot. I strictly assume the 5-6 scums are going to be too scared to actually commit to voting all the same person.
 
In fairness to landlubber, I think he was actually the first to vote Al Sipsclar, though Al was catching flak from people prior to that.
 
Can you link us to a game where glossy had 179 posts in the first 55 hours and 8 minutes of the game as town?

My point is that scums very rarely writes such amount of posts, especially not in a game with so low activity from the rest of the players and where the high activity isn't even doing any good for her, apparently.
Add to that, that ~9/10 times top posters on D1 are town - at least based on my experience in ~30 games in total.
Add to that, that I can follow her thought process, that she seems solvy, and she haven't done anything I'd categorize as scummy.
Add to that, that she is currently one of the top wagons.
Then you got the reason that I find it worth to defend her.
 
Visor is literally howling. Look at him.

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