Haha, yep, noted. How did you get the reply to double-quote?I've already said... If I have constant reads you should lynch me. If I do not reevaluate that means I am scum.
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White knighting - coming to someone's defense instead of letting the person defend themselves. Often unnecessary, and the person getting white knighted does not appreciate it. Usually it's done with intentions to make oneself look better, especially in front of the person getting defended. Originally used in the context of what 'nice guys' did for girls in hopes of getting laid, it has now gone out of these boundaries and become a commonly used term also in Mafia communities.
Spew - Imagine vomit coming out of someone's mouth after you sock them in the stomach. That's the original definition - upchuck. However, it is now used in Mafia communities to indicate the spittle/upchuck left behind by caught/dead scum that implicates or clears people who interact with them.
I would add to White Knighting that the reason it's not often appreciated in mafia is because it's a relatively easy tactic for scum to use when they have TMI.
Hence part of my concern with Cuth - he's jumping in and defending me a lot when there's no real pressure on me/he doesn't really need to. On the one hand, I know he kicked himself for not defending me last game we Towned together when I got misread and I'd like to say he's Town. I don't particularly want to see him swing for his defence of me especially if he's Town, but on the other hand, until I'm confident for my own reasons that he is Town, that's not enough to actually outweigh the fact he could be over-defending me to pocket me/make himself look good as scum.
Meh. TLDR: Cuth White Knighting me should probably be considered null for now, though I can't guarantee he's not banking on me to back that up.
Because he's an easy lynch, and the reasons for voting him are very subpar.
Apart from the fact he's voting you, what's different about Edse's play in comparison with that in the Org Snake game?
I just looked and his posting's completely different there.
I've said, I'm not going to go over that at this point, it'll clarify and progress over depending on what happens in thread. Purposefully avoiding that.
Sushi's reads and what she's saying and advocating are not constants. Read her posts.
Ok for Sushi :/ for the Visor interactions, if only because it makes it harder for me to get a good read on you right now.
My argument is basically that Edse is a similarly easy lynch/mislynch to Al Sips, and it's a pretty cop-out vote if he turns out to be Town.
I just looked at his 12-post ISO from the last game too, and these are the posts from Day 1
Spoiler :
Joke/sheep response to Alette voting El BartoTime to blindly follow the ghost of Pizza Vote: El Brato
Vote Al Sips for random, jokey, nothing reasoning. Left the vote here all day.People like to say PIS (perfect information syndrome) after speculation posts. The weird thing is that for them to know that the speculation poster knows too much, they know too much, otherwise they wouldn't know that the speculation poster "know" too much.
Unvote: Vote: Al Sipsclar
Joke fluffYou sure know how to insult people El Baritone. I was merely playing with your name since Scarlett misspelled it in the post before (and did again)
Joke fluff in response to general questionnaire.1. I would ruthlessly spread hints around me untill I hang.
2. Not like this, that's for sure.
I can't clear him of being scummy scum here just because he was scummy Town there (and I'm not trying to/I'm not overly against his lynch), but I can't see how his posting is 'completely different' and I want to make that clear.
On the other hand, Al Sips' involvement is completely different. He was up there with top posters in that game all game, here he's barely contributed at all.
What info do you think we'd get out of an Edse lynch depending on his flip?
Sushi has a lot of potential as an asset if he's left alive and town. Edse is a cunning player, but he's not going to be giving the same amount of information alive as an early investment. That makes him a fine lynch for databecause there's less utility sacrifice early on if we're wrong.
How do you know where most people are looking? Maybe I'm mistaken, but the town isn't really a mob mentality now. It's more like a dozen overlapping dinner parties.
I like this post and question from Legato. Agree with the bold and can vote here provided we can't find a better-value candidate for scum. Same question as for Cuth - what actual info are we going to get from lynching Edse today?
Afaict we get:
- potential clearing for Cuth if he's scum because of his lazy vote on Cuth, Cuth's push on him and ?the probability of it being a bus is ?low
- potentially unanswerable questions (regardless of his alignment) on Sushi and I and anyone else who's hesitating on making Edse they lynch because they read him the same way/Scum as Town because a)valid point but b)Team protecting/?TMI.
Meh. Is there anything else?
I don't know how to balance this in comparison with Al Sips. Edse posting the same scummy way he did as Town but some info to be gained and he's not likely to be as active/telling as Al Sips if Al Sips is Town and comes back to play like last game. BUT Al Sips' involvement is in direct contradiction to his last Town play while Edse looks much the same to me. I'm going to leave my vote where it is for now.
I like the reasoning/explanation here from Pouter Pigeon. Towny post.This post makes me feel better about Cuth. I often have the same mentality when I'm town, though I usually prefer not to act on it. And I know that Cuth and I occasionally share certain aspects of our playstyle (this can be a trap for me when I try to read him, but eh). The logic is that you'd rather be doing something effective with your lynch vote, so looking for a target that's more likely to get lynched makes sense.
So town points for Cuth.
Can someone define white knighting and spew for me? Googling those terms only gave vague definitions...
Oh and, yes, Cass, that genuinely was a random vote. If I'd known that it would generate this much discussion, I'd have done something different.
(I have too many dice and too few opportunities to use them.)![]()
FTR I agree but aorn he's in direct contrast to what I know of his Town meta and I don't like the idea that he could be counting on this argument to let him coast as scum.Killing Sips will probably not leave us with much of any clues of who his fellow scum would be if he is. And it's even more of a wasted lynch if he's town.
If you're Town convinced I'm Town because of stuff like this then great, don't vote me and do stand up for me with stuff if people push specific points you want to debate with/come seriously calling for my lynch. But FTR I think you can/should stop defending me so hard for now out of nowhere, at this point it ultimately has more utility for YouScum than YouTown IMO and it's wigging me out.Heh, looking at the Snake Cult game I found this post by Cass.![]()
I don't ever do lock-town but I did temporarily back off Town lean because the points I questioned seemd off/stood out. I'm haven't ISO'd him completely but I'm happy with the responses he gave me, the points since - and I did really like his earlier post, so he's back to light Town lean for now.Cass, a few posts of yours ago you were basically calling Legato lock town for a certain post. Are you taking that back?