The Deity Challenge Line-up #32 - England

¿What is the tech order you choose when you go for a LB rush? Beeline education and then go for it? Go first to Philosophy, then LB and then education? Any other?

stormtrooper412 said:

As her Throne grew smaller in size
She wished a new and more glorious one
It would be made from bones of dead children
"Father... is this what you wanted?"


They marched at dawn, the sun never did set
Chaos remained where people once lived
As mayhem engulfed the surrounding lands
"Where is your God now?"


One by one, they felt the might
Trail of blood was all that was left
As the last of them was hunted down
"Only Hell would follow me!"






I hope you didn't find my poetry that horrible

Spoiler :

The entire game was a kind of a perfect storm. I had next to no resistance due to constant fighting on the other end. So, after I stomped Arabia and Mayans, I set foot on the other continent, stomped Mongolia and had my ships swing around the back of Beijing and take it from the sea. Venice and Mayans double teamed me but they are pushovers, nobody even came close, and my ships made short work of the Blind Man.

Persia were severely weakened by their war with Russia and China, so Persepolis fell easily, the road was clear and only a handful of muskets was defending. By that time, my Longbows all had Logistics so he didn't stand a chance.

It was then time to take on the Gargantua. All this time, Cathy was free to turtle up, being isolated up north, but constant war with the neighbors and my CS allies spread her out just enough for me to gain the edge. She offered the southern expo for peace, which I accepted, and used new territory to upgrade all cannons to arty.

The fire sale took care of the happiness issues, and I was free to begin one last attack. The longbows served me well in the campaign but they were the meatshields in this siege.

In the end, the suicide charge on Moscow worked, she had the Great Wall, the Brandenburg Gate and possibly Himeji, didn't check. But I completely forgot that Arty has indirect fire, so in setting up for a hill strike, I realized all I needed was an disposable spotter, and luckily I had 3 workers sitting around. Arties made short work of the 88 str city and then not even the Wall could stop a single lone cavalry sentry medic

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LOL! And you told me you couldn't do a Let's Play because you weren't a native English speaker - with that poetry I think you could rival most!!!

Haha. Nice win also ST.

Yeah he's totally invalidated his excuse, tbh.

I'm an English teacher, including some creative writing and none of my advanced students has ever produced anything as good as that.

@TsiNaPah: For a longbow rush, like any xbow rush, Philosophy into Machinery is the most effective because the earlier the better. Depending on tech deficit and lands, you can then go either straight to Civil Service and Education or, if not Tradition, possibly pick up Engineering for aqueducts first. I like the aqueducts to be built before Civil Service growth kicks in. I find that teching for Workshops before Education makes the science defecit to severe; the higher production isn't worth it since you've already delayed Education by a lot.

I do what Consentient does for a living and couldn't agree more on the poetry front

oh you guys

anyways, my tech path was luxury techs -> construction -> (first upgrade) -> philosophy -> NC with 3 cities all working round the clock -> machinery -> civil service -> education -> navigation -> beeline to dynamite -> sell universities to save money

Diplomatic Victory Turn 273

The land was too much trouble for me to play with Longbows so I turtled for SV. Later I realized that Diplo Cheese would be faster and decided to take it on the second vote.

Too bad, you can't really feel how good the Stormbows are until you've tried them out. Personally, I like them much better than the CKN, I guess I value range over double tap

I really enjoyed your write-ups st412. It might be enough to try HAC again on this map. I was happy to finally get a Dom V, but I really didn't feel like I got enough from the LBs.

stormtrooper412 said:

beeline to dynamite -> sell universities to save money

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You didn't say so, prolly because you think it is obvious, but did you Oxford dynamite? Or did you never bother with Oxford?

Ah. Well, I wanted and planned to Oxford dynamite and you definitely SHOULD do that but in all the mayhem I forgot about it entirely, and I burned a GS for the tech before it, Military Science is it? So I guess I should have gotten Dynamite at least 15 turns earlier but I don't think it would have mattered because I capped 2-3 cities in that period and that actually funded my magic trick of turning crap cannons to awesome arty. Man, I still can't believe I didn't know about the whole Indirect fire thing

SV T225

Cannons are not crap if you get them straight after Machinery. They are devastating. And promoted Honor cannons make the best Artillery. First three with Cannons then yummy Logistics


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2nd Try: Looking for DomV. T206



I have a couple of questions besides this DCL.
1.- How do you take and post screenshots? I do it with an online converter from TGA to JPG but it seems very slowly.
2.- Last night I watched som Acken and Consentient LPs. I see that your screen for CivV is different than mine. I don´t have any information from other civs or CS at the right side of the screen and the top part is also different. Is it another version of the game, is an ingame option I can´t find or is it a some mod or tool you have installed?

@Olodune, @peddroelm, @stormstrooper412, @bimblecrumbs thank you for the feedback.

@consentient thank you for the welcome

@acken thank you for the map

^F12 works fine for me. The screenshots go to the steam screenshots folder:
"C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\userdata\70526951\760\remote\8930\screenshots" on my computer.

steam has configurable screen shot key that will take screenshots (.jpg) from any steam games ..

Even with windows print screen key pasting in paint you can save it as jpg (assuming it doesn't capture a black screen ) ..

google "civilization V UI mod" free and easy to install .

Your domination attempt seems on track ..

First Domination Victory Ever on Deity at T328



Really fun game, England is a great civ to try a domination victory on continents. For the first time ever I went Honor (after operning tradition) and tried to get the best use from the english UUs and UA.

Thank you all for the advice and for the map. This was my first DCL and I will be playing many more for sure. I have started enjoying CivV much more since I learned how to use all the posibilities in the game reading all your DCL stories, guides, LPs..., and it´s great to be part of such an amazing comunity.

Next challenge will be to try my first Cultural Victory with the Russian DCL. I´ve played 80 turns and I´m going Piety for the first time ever (got Sacred Sites already, so it´s looking good). I can´t play as many hours as most of you (I have a very time consuming job and two very very very time consuming little girls) so I have to pick wisely my games. Again, any advice from you will be welcome.

Thank you all and see you at the next DCL

268 Diplo

This is my second DCL. Thanks everybody. I get something usefull from all the posts.

This should be the first DomV for me on the DCL. Originally tried T250ish SV on this map but decided to replay it for DomV since England is very strong.

T178 Domination Victory

This map suited my play well. Being Continents, I tried to use both UUs significantly: didn't use the ship as much as I expected to and extra spy didn't make a difference.

Brief timeline and some comments
Early game, I sent 1 caravan out for science ASAP (build 3rd city specifically to be in range of a civ that wouldn't be my first target) and 1 food cargo ship to capital
T73 built a 4city NC. Good production in the capital - I moved onto hill and connected marble; also built Pyramids
T77 finished Liberty and also completed Oracle in York; planted GS
I wasn't in Medieval yet for Oracle so I ended up going Patronage.
Took out first civ (closest) with Composite bows; took my time, building up XP and building roads while teching towards Longbows.
T89 Machinery. Getting 2-3 incoming TR was very helpful
Upgraded and conquered civ to the West, finishing off the last city with just a few units while the main army went to finish off the continent - UU of final nearby civ slowed me down a bit, but my CS cultural ally helped
T109 Education. I got excited to try and micromanage and time my next policy for an early Renaissance, only later realizing that by going Acoustics (T119) I was delaying Astronomy, so that was a mistake!
I left 1 city remaining on my continent for a while, using it to get Logistics on some units. I met 3/4 from other continent before finishing them off and seemed to get significant diplomatic hate from 2 of them for killing off this civ that they never even met. Weird.
T136 Navigation. I conquered a weak cap (civ was at war with rest of continent when we met) with ships, but otherwise only killed off some units and messed around with naval. 3/4 caps on other continent were 100% attacked by land units; I never fully explored the continent coast line.
For a while, my intentions were to conquer every city (but not CS), but I opted to leave a few and get some sleep, so I allowed a few other red cities to survive.
Upgraded to Gatling Guns for the final 3-4 cities. Aside from starting warrior, the land army was always ranged units and horses; I seldom build seige unless I get to dynamite.
Good map. I'd like to play a start like this with stronger nearby opponents.

Impressive. You didn't even bother with Dynamite